Hi, all,
I've got a question for our UK friends.
I play a national trivia game every Wednesday Night (called "Passport").
This games asks all kinds of questions (mainly "touristy") about some
destination. For instance, last week it was sites along the
Trans-Canadian Highway (from Vancouver to Halifax).
Other topics have included a country (or two or three adjacent
countries), capital cities on a continent, or even a region of a single
country (i.e. "Wine Regions of France").
The questions are multiple-guess, with five possible answers. Each
player has a little box ("Playmaker") in which to enter their answers.
Players are ranked locally and nationally, and the bar or restaurant is
ranked nationally. It's actually quite a bit of fun - and it gives me
an excuse to get out with the "boys" :-).
Anyway - what brings this up now. At the end of each game they give
clues to the next week's game. The clues for next week are:
Manchester
Liverpool
Midlands
Birmingham
Now - this obviously points to the midlands of Great Britain. So - can
anyone over there point me to any good web sites for more information?
I would appreciate it!
And if you're interested some trivia, one of the teams has a web site at
http://ntn.donrdenton.com with recaps of the previous games. Click on
"Passport" for the game we like; there are several other games there,
also. Unfortunately, he doesn't list the "wrong" answers also - but it
should be interesting.
And BTW - while you're in the Passport game page, check out the "Total
Place Points Rankings (100 points for first place, 99 points for second,
etc.)" link. Our bar (JJ Muldoon's) is #1 for the year so far. We were
second to Golden Points in Las Vegas last year, but won the year before.
We have some dedicated trivia players! :-)
Thanks for any suggestions you might have!
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| Now - this obviously points to the midlands of Great Britain. |
No it doesn't. Manchester and Liverpool are in the North West, not the
Midlands.
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| Hi, all, I've got a question for our UK friends. I play a national trivia game every Wednesday Night (called "Passport"). This games asks all kinds of questions (mainly "touristy") about some destination. For instance, last week it was sites along the Trans-Canadian Highway (from Vancouver to Halifax). Other topics have included a country (or two or three adjacent countries), capital cities on a continent, or even a region of a single country (i.e. "Wine Regions of France"). The questions are multiple-guess, with five possible answers. Each player has a little box ("Playmaker") in which to enter their answers. Players are ranked locally and nationally, and the bar or restaurant is ranked nationally. It's actually quite a bit of fun - and it gives me an excuse to get out with the "boys" :-). Anyway - what brings this up now. At the end of each game they give clues to the next week's game. The clues for next week are: Manchester Liverpool Midlands Birmingham Now - this obviously points to the midlands of Great Britain. So - can anyone over there point me to any good web sites for more information? I would appreciate it! And if you're interested some trivia, one of the teams has a web site at http://ntn.donrdenton.com with recaps of the previous games. Click on "Passport" for the game we like; there are several other games there, also. Unfortunately, he doesn't list the "wrong" answers also - but it should be interesting. And BTW - while you're in the Passport game page, check out the "Total Place Points Rankings (100 points for first place, 99 points for second, etc.)" link. Our bar (JJ Muldoon's) is #1 for the year so far. We were second to Golden Points in Las Vegas last year, but won the year before. We have some dedicated trivia players! :-) Thanks for any suggestions you might have! |
Sounds like fun Jerry!
The first thing I would say is that Manchester and Liverpool are not
regarded as the Midlands, but the North. That is the North of England.
Being in Scotland, I am north of both!
Also, Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham are cities. The Midlands is
a region (incorporating Birmingham).
I had a quick look. Our official UK Government website is probably the
best place for info. Every town, city, region, has a local council.
They all have websites, they usually have information about the place,
it's history, and it's current activities etc.
Checkout this page for an index of Councils. You might have to figure
out some of it:
http://www.direct.gov.uk/Dl1/Directories/LocalCouncils/fs/en
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| Jerry Stuckle wrote: Now - this obviously points to the midlands of Great Britain. No it doesn't. Manchester and Liverpool are in the North West |
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| Dylan Parry wrote Manchester and Liverpool are in the North West What does that make me then, far north west??!! |
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| Perhaps it's the northern half of England? Now I am confused. |
Don't worry about it Jerry, that would make you and most of the British
people! I had a nightmare trying to find a definitive list of British
Counties. I finally got one from the Government website, but there are
counties whose names are used commonly, that do not appear on the list!
For your purposes, I suppose it is enough to know that the Midlands, as its
name implies, is in the middle of England. Birmingham is in there.
Manchester and Liverpool are in the north west of England.
I could confuse it further by talking about them in relation to
Britain...that's England with Scotland at the top, and Wales to the left!
Which would probably make Manchester and Liverpool in the middle of
Britain. This might be what your quizmaster was thinking about.
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| It's also possible they are looking at the northern half of England so they threw in Liverpool and Manchester along with Midlands and Birmingham. |
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| Thanks for the link. I'll follow it up and see what I can find. I guess the only question is going to be is how much territory they're going to cover. You can also get a hint from the lack of clues - everything was up north; if it would have been all of England they would have included something from the southern half, also. |
Right. Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham have something in common.
They are all predominantly working-class industrial cities.
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It's not pointing to the Midlands in the UK since Manchester and Liverpool
are not in any way in the Midlands. I'd be looking at US town names or
perhaps at airports, though that should be East Midlands.
Birmingham and Midlands in the same set should be a clue, since Birmingham
is IN the Midlands. Only three out of four are cities the other is a
region, again that suggests it's not simply a geographical clue. I can't
think of a sport where they are team names, in fact I can't think of a
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| Jerry Stuckle wrote: Now - this obviously points to the midlands of Great Britain. No it doesn't. Manchester and Liverpool are in the North West, not the Midlands. |
Dylan,
See, it shows you how much I know! I really don't know what is
considered the boundaries of the Midlands.
Perhaps it's the northern half of England? Now I am confused.
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Sounds like fun Jerry! The first thing I would say is that Manchester and Liverpool are not regarded as the Midlands, but the North. That is the North of England. Being in Scotland, I am north of both! Also, Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham are cities. The Midlands is a region (incorporating Birmingham). I had a quick look. Our official UK Government website is probably the best place for info. Every town, city, region, has a local council. They all have websites, they usually have information about the place, it's history, and it's current activities etc. Checkout this page for an index of Councils. You might have to figure out some of it: http://www.direct.gov.uk/Dl1/Directories/LocalCouncils/fs/en Go the JJ Muldoon's!!! |
It is a lot of fun, Charles. We study before each game, and it's
amazing how much you learn when you do it for fun - vs. having to do it
in school! :-)
Yes, they will mix it up. For instance, last week's clues were
"Roadmap, Provinces, Steam and Citadel". The roadmap clue indicated we
were goint to follow a major highway. Provinces pointed us to Canada.
Steam referred to a famous Steam Clock in Vancouver (we knew that
because Vancouver was one of last years destinations). We didn't know
which Citadel it was until the game - there are several, but this one
was in Halifax.
Thanks for the link. I'll follow it up and see what I can find. I
guess the only question is going to be is how much territory they're
going to cover. You can also get a hint from the lack of clues -
everything was up north; if it would have been all of England they would
have included something from the southern half, also.
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| Jerry Stuckle wrote I could confuse it further by talking about them in relation to Britain...that's England with Scotland at the top, and Wales to the left! Which would probably make Manchester and Liverpool in the middle of Britain. This might be what your quizmaster was thinking about. |
That's possible. They're a bunch of Californians - it doesn't mean they
know a lot about Geography! :-)
It's also possible they are looking at the northern half of England so
they threw in Liverpool and Manchester along with Midlands and Birmingham.
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| That's possible. They're a bunch of Californians - it doesn't mean they know a lot about Geography! :-) |
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| Jerry Stuckle wrote Thanks for the link. I'll follow it up and see what I can find. I guess the only question is going to be is how much territory they're going to cover. You can also get a hint from the lack of clues - everything was up north; if it would have been all of England they would have included something from the southern half, also. Right. Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham have something in common. They are all predominantly working-class industrial cities. |
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| Jerry Stuckle [Email Removed] wrote in <xaOdnbqn1bZrpS7fRVn- [Email Removed]>: Manchester Liverpool Midlands Birmingham Now - this obviously points to the midlands of Great Britain. So - can anyone over there point me to any good web sites for more information? I would appreciate it! It's not pointing to the Midlands in the UK since Manchester and Liverpool are not in any way in the Midlands. I'd be looking at US town names or perhaps at airports, though that should be East Midlands. Birmingham and Midlands in the same set should be a clue, since Birmingham is IN the Midlands. Only three out of four are cities the other is a region, again that suggests it's not simply a geographical clue. I can't think of a sport where they are team names, in fact I can't think of a sport where "Midlands" is a team name. |
Hi, Eric,
No, it's quite common for them to mix cities and regions like that. And
it might not be just the midlands - it might be the Northern half, for
instance.
We already thought about the U.S. angle. There isn't an area known as
the "Midlands", and no major cities of that name. There is a reasonably
sized Manchester in Vermont, and of course Birmingham in Alabama. But
no good thoughts about Liverpool.
The clues are not necessarily geographical. You need to determine what
they have in common. For instance - last week two clues were "Steam"
and "Citadel". Steam referred to a steam clock in Vancouver, BC at one
end of the Trans-Canadian Highway, while the Citadel was in Halifax - on
the other end.
So they can be cities, regions, tourist attractions, political or almost
anything of interest to the traveler. And, of course, team names. :-)
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| Anyway - what brings this up now. At the end of each game they give clues to the next week's game. The clues for next week are: Manchester Liverpool Midlands Birmingham Now - this obviously points to the midlands of Great Britain. So - can anyone over there point me to any good web sites for more information? I would appreciate it! |
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| It is a lot of fun, Charles. We study before each game, and it's amazing how much you learn when you do it for fun - vs. having to do it in school! :-) Yes, they will mix it up. For instance, last week's clues were "Roadmap, Provinces, Steam and Citadel". The roadmap clue indicated we were goint to follow a major highway. Provinces pointed us to Canada. Steam referred to a famous Steam Clock in Vancouver (we knew that because Vancouver was one of last years destinations). We didn't know which Citadel it was until the game - there are several, but this one was in Halifax. [snip] |
That's only about four blocks from where I live. I live much closer to
another landmark in Halifax:
http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~af380/Armory.html
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| Hi, all, I've got a question for our UK friends. I play a national trivia game every Wednesday Night (called "Passport"). This games asks all kinds of questions (mainly "touristy") about some destination. For instance, last week it was sites along the Trans-Canadian Highway (from Vancouver to Halifax). Other topics have included a country (or two or three adjacent countries), capital cities on a continent, or even a region of a single country (i.e. "Wine Regions of France"). The questions are multiple-guess, with five possible answers. Each player has a little box ("Playmaker") in which to enter their answers. Players are ranked locally and nationally, and the bar or restaurant is ranked nationally. It's actually quite a bit of fun - and it gives me an excuse to get out with the "boys" :-). Anyway - what brings this up now. At the end of each game they give clues to the next week's game. The clues for next week are: Manchester Liverpool Midlands Birmingham Now - this obviously points to the midlands of Great Britain. So - can anyone over there point me to any good web sites for more information? I would appreciate it! |
Are those literal clues, or are they a tad cryptic?....Of course, they
could literally mean questions about the midlands and north west of
England....
However, those four words combined say something different to me....They
say "Rock Music" to me....Liverpool was iconic of the music scene in the
'60s, producing bands like the Beatles and the Mersey-beat sound....
Birmingham and the Midlands turned out hundreds of rock bands in the
'70s like Slade, Zeppelin and Sabbath....And Manchaster, in the late
'80s and '90s became famous for it's 'mad-chester' indie music
movement, producing bands like Oasis etc....And now, the focus seems to
be returning to Liverpool again, with a plethora of new bands bursting
forth onto the music scene from the city, such as The Coral and The
Zutons etc....
I'd interpret those clues as meaning "Popular music from the 1960's to
the present day"....
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| Hi, all, |
How dod you do?
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| I've got a question for our UK friends. I play a national trivia game every Wednesday Night (called "Passport"). ... Anyway - what brings this up now. At the end of each game they give clues to the next week's game. The clues for next week are: Manchester Liverpool Midlands Birmingham Now - this obviously points to the midlands of Great Britain. So - can anyone over there point me to any good web sites for more information? I would appreciate it! |
ok - I've read through the thread to date.
A question for you Jerry: How clued up are your quizmasters? are they
likely to know that Mancheter and Liverpool are not actually in the area
known as the Midlands?
Anyhow, if the quizmasters were English I'd make a start by checking out
canals and railways of England from about 100 years ago.
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| Thanks for any suggestions you might have! |
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That thought occurred to me too, but it does seem like a very abstract
set of clues for that. How far removed are the clues normally, Jerry?
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| Fat Sam wrote: I'd interpret those clues as meaning "Popular music from the 1960's to the present day".... That thought occurred to me too, but it does seem like a very abstract set of clues for that. |
Yes abstract is right, and the list is in no way complete - completely
ignoring (although some may suggest that shows good taste) the
contributions of London, Glasgow and Edinburgh.
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ok - I've read through the thread to date. A question for you Jerry: How clued up are your quizmasters? are they likely to know that Mancheter and Liverpool are not actually in the area known as the Midlands? |
They're Californians - they think Utah is a foreign country, and
couldn't find Texas on a map if it were labeled. :-)
Seriously - they make a few mistakes, but they're pretty good. They're
not experts on the areas they cover - but they do a lot of research.
Back in the early 90's, it was in encyclopedias. Now, of course, most
of it is the internet.
I suspect since they used Midlands as a clue, they researched it and
know approximately the area it covers - more than I do, obviously! ;-)
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Hmmm, that's an interesting thought - one I hadn't considered, and very
possibly something they will cover. They try to get a good mix of the
obvious with a little arcana thrown in. I'll dig into it.
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Sounds like fun. |
It really is!
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Good luck! Please do report back and let us know. |
Thanks, and will do.
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| Fat Sam wrote: I'd interpret those clues as meaning "Popular music from the 1960's to the present day".... That thought occurred to me too, but it does seem like a very abstract set of clues for that. How far removed are the clues normally, Jerry? |
Sam/Dylan,
Sometimes they're obvious and sometimes they're abstract - I think it
just depends on who's writing them. But most of the time there are one
or two solid ones.
I'm running this idea by some of the rest of the crowd to see what they
say. It won't be the music itself - there's a music trivia game on
Friday (or is it Saturday) night. This one is pretty much what you
would see when traveling. However, that doesn't mean it can't lean
towards the music part - but it would be more like "You can visit the
Beatle's recording studio in _____."
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| Sometimes they're obvious and sometimes they're abstract - I think it just depends on who's writing them. But most of the time there are one or two solid ones. |
Just thinking Jerry, after all this discussion, you will have to report
back here to enlighten us after your quiz!!
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| Once upon a time, far far away Jerry Stuckle <[Email Removed] muttered Anyway - what brings this up now. At the end of each game they give clues to the next week's game. The clues for next week are: Manchester Liverpool Midlands Birmingham Now - this obviously points to the midlands of Great Britain. So - can anyone over there point me to any good web sites for more information? I would appreciate it! http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com Matt |
But of course! :-)
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| Jerry Stuckle wrote Sometimes they're obvious and sometimes they're abstract - I think it just depends on who's writing them. But most of the time there are one or two solid ones. Just thinking Jerry, after all this discussion, you will have to report back here to enlighten us after your quiz!! |
Yep!
I wish I had a way to save the entire game - let you guys and gals have
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| On Fri, 17 Jun 2005, Jerry Stuckle wrote: [snip] It is a lot of fun, Charles. We study before each game, and it's amazing how much you learn when you do it for fun - vs. having to do it in school! :-) Yes, they will mix it up. For instance, last week's clues were "Roadmap, Provinces, Steam and Citadel". The roadmap clue indicated we were goint to follow a major highway. Provinces pointed us to Canada. Steam referred to a famous Steam Clock in Vancouver (we knew that because Vancouver was one of last years destinations). We didn't know which Citadel it was until the game - there are several, but this one was in Halifax. [snip] That's only about four blocks from where I live. I live much closer to another landmark in Halifax: http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~af380/Armory.html The photograph on that page was taken in 1899. |
Now that looks great, Norman. I love the architecture - it really has
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Are you sure it's not going to be about annoying bloody accents...
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Good call - but I don't believe there is a generic 'Midlands' accent. The
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Brum is a car afaik...
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yes - and your point is?
you may already know that ....
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That the distinction between a dead actor and a car is not only quite
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Now that you mention it, I may have heard that before, yes :-)
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| Jerry Stuckle wrote Perhaps it's the northern half of England? Now I am confused. Don't worry about it Jerry, that would make you and most of the British people! I had a nightmare trying to find a definitive list of British Counties. I finally got one from the Government website, but there are counties whose names are used commonly, that do not appear on the list! |
The last major realignment of couties was IIRC the 1974 Boundaries Act,
which established Avon, Greater London, Merseyside and a few other
counties; discarded a few of the smaller ones -- Huntingdonshire, Rutland,
etc; split Yorkshire and Sussex into mini-counties; and that's just
England -- the impact on Scotland and Wales was even more drastic.
You can find a map of the "traditional" British counties here:
http://www.abcounties.co.uk/counties/map.htm
The current (2002) map of counties and administrative regions is here:
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/geography/dow...s/uk_cty_ua.pdf
Re the Midlands, I know the East Midlands is generally regarded as
consisting of Derbys, Notts, Leics, Rutland, Lincs and Northants. West
Midlands I guess would be Warks, Staffs, Salop, Herts and Worcs, including
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Yes. The National Statistics Office was the Government source I
referred to.
The trouble with this is that some counties have been split into Unitary
Authorities (in England and Wales) and no longer exist as a county.
So for example, Berkshire no longer exists as a county, but you can bet
your bottom dollar that people will still refer to the area as
Berkshire, and if they are searching a website by county, they will
search for Berkshire.
I used the list of counties here:
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/geography/geo...stings/administ
rative.asp
It does not have Berkshire listed because it is no longer a county, but
a collection of Unitary Authorities.
It might then be an idea to use the "traditional" list, but I looked at
that before, and found that some of them were ancient and were not in
common usage.
This is something I will need to re-visit for my own site. Using a list
of counties, together with a list of Unitary Authorities (and
Metropolitan Counties) would at least have every area covered, but it
would not catch the searcher looking for "Berkshire". I might have to
make a list of my own, based on a mix of the traditional and new.
The same goes for "Yorkshire" (and other areas). "Yorkshire" is not a
county. North Yorkshire is a county. West Yorkshire is a Metropolitan
County. East Riding of Yorkshire is a Unitary Authority.
The National Statistics site says that "UK Geography is far from
simple" which is correct. And which is why any non-Brit gets INSTANT
forgiveness over such issues. It is also why most Brits do not
understand it either...people from the non-existant county of Berkshire
still say they are from "Berkshire". Most people still refer to
"Yorkshire", but it doesn't exist.
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On Mon, 20 Jun 2005, Toby Inkster wrote:
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| [...] West Midlands I guess would be Warks, Staffs, Salop, Herts and Worcs, including ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ the West Midlands metropolitan area (Birmingham, Wolverhampton, etc). |
That sounds a lot like either the name of a law firm or a list of sheep
diseases.
Coat? It's the green one, thanks.
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| ... either the name of a law firm or a list of sheep diseases. |
most would be hard pressed to spot the difference.
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| ... The National Statistics site says that "UK Geography is far from simple" which is correct. And which is why any non-Brit gets INSTANT forgiveness over such issues. It is also why most Brits do not understand it either...people from the non-existant county of Berkshire still say they are from "Berkshire". Most people still refer to "Yorkshire", but it doesn't exist. |
Likewise Middlesex of which there is no longer even a residual presence on
the local authority maps.
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| Likewise Middlesex of which there is no longer even a residual presence on the local authority maps. |
Isn't Middlesex the old county/kingdom that hasn't existed for a couple
of hundred years?
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| Using a pointed stick and some pebbles, William Tasso scraped this into the dirt: Likewise Middlesex of which there is no longer even a residual presence on the local authority maps. Isn't Middlesex the old county/kingdom that hasn't existed for a couple of hundred years? |
/looks around
nope - it's still here :)
Might you be thinking of Wessex perhaps?
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[Middlesex]
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| nope - it's still here :) |
Heh :)
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| Might you be thinking of Wessex perhaps? |
Nope. I know that one doesn't exist, but it must be another one that I
am thinking of...
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| Isn't Middlesex the old county/kingdom that hasn't existed for a couple of hundred years? |
Well I live a couple of miles away from it. So either you're posting from
a couple of hundred years in the future, or it still exists.
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Toby Inkster wrote:
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| Charles Sweeney wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote Perhaps it's the northern half of England? Now I am confused. Don't worry about it Jerry, that would make you and most of the British people! I had a nightmare trying to find a definitive list of British Counties. I finally got one from the Government website, but there are counties whose names are used commonly, that do not appear on the list! The last major realignment of couties was IIRC the 1974 Boundaries Act, which established Avon, Greater London, Merseyside and a few other counties; discarded a few of the smaller ones -- Huntingdonshire, Rutland, etc; split Yorkshire and Sussex into mini-counties; and that's just England -- the impact on Scotland and Wales was even more drastic. You can find a map of the "traditional" British counties here: http://www.abcounties.co.uk/counties/map.htm The current (2002) map of counties and administrative regions is here: http://www.statistics.gov.uk/geography/dow...s/uk_cty_ua.pdf Re the Midlands, I know the East Midlands is generally regarded as consisting of Derbys, Notts, Leics, Rutland, Lincs and Northants. West Midlands I guess would be Warks, Staffs, Salop, Herts and Worcs, including the West Midlands metropolitan area (Birmingham, Wolverhampton, etc). |
Thanks, Toby, I'll check it out.
Since the realignment was pretty recent, I suspect there will be at
least one question referring to it.
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I had a nightmare trying to find a definitive list of British Counties. |
A definitive list of Counties?? Ah, the Holy Grail of web forms...
Charles, it doesnt exist and never will do! Or if it did, they'd just change
it all around again...
E.g. I used to live in Middlesbrough, which was in Cleveland, but now is
sadly without county. It is covered by a unitary authority, but has no
county. And there are plenty of other places like it...
CJM
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| Using a pointed stick and some pebbles, William Tasso scraped this into the dirt: [Middlesex] nope - it's still here :) Heh :) Might you be thinking of Wessex perhaps? Nope. I know that one doesn't exist, but it must be another one that I am thinking of... |
Wales? Doesnt exist according to Microsoft...
How about Cumbria? Few south of Watford believe it exists...
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Ah, now that's a great tip! Thanks, Charles! |
Questions on the Industrial Revolution perhaps? Though they should have
included Yorkshire, in that case...
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you may already know that .... o Brum is slang for Birmingham o Birmingham is the centre of what used to be the motor vehicle manufacturing base in the UK o Brum is filmed in Birmingham with local actors -- |
I didn't know that, and thanks to you, it now occupies valuable space in my
all-too-overloaded grey matter...
Thanks a lot, whoever you are.
Sorry, what were we on about?
Er...
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[snip Brum info]
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| Thanks a lot, whoever you are. |
"whoever you are" ???
You mean you don't know Mr. Tasso, regular visitor and valuable
contributor to this group since I was eh... since long before I got
here?
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I didn't know that, and thanks to you, it now occupies valuable space in my all-too-overloaded grey matter... |
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| Thanks a lot, whoever you are. |
:)
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| Sorry, what were we on about? Er... |
quite so.
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"whoever you are" ??? You mean you don't know Mr. Tasso, regular visitor and valuable contributor to this group since I was eh... since long before I got here? |
Well he did invent this group, didn't he...?
Still.. a good bloke all round... even gives me a discount on my a.w.w
fees...!
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