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alex goldman
Is there a hosting provider who can guarantee the survival and operation of
your site in the face of DoS attacks or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slashdotting ?

Allis
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Is there a hosting provider who can guarantee the survival and operation
of
your site in the face of DoS attacks or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slashdotting ?


No there isn't, and if a provider does guarantee it, I would click far away.


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alex goldman
Allis wrote:

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"alex goldman" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:[Email Removed]...
Is there a hosting provider who can guarantee the survival and operation
of
your site in the face of DoS attacks or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slashdotting ?


No there isn't, and if a provider does guarantee it, I would click far
away.

Why?

I haven't found a hosting provider that even talks about it, but the
requirement seems reasonable, and if the provider has the necessary
infrastructure (load-balancing, etc.) in place, I don't see why it
shouldn't be able to cope with temporary spikes in access to any particular
site it hosts. On the other hand, if the infrastructure isn't there, and
different web sites are just stuck on specific PCs, individual web sites
may become unavailable during peak access, taking down co-hosted web sites
with them. I'd like to be able to tell the former type of provider from the
latter. If that's not possible, I'd like to be able to pick the host that
is more likely to work in this type of situation.

Allis
"alex goldman" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
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Allis wrote:


"alex goldman" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:[Email Removed]...
Is there a hosting provider who can guarantee the survival and
operation
of
your site in the face of DoS attacks or
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slashdotting ?


No there isn't, and if a provider does guarantee it, I would click far
away.

Why?

I haven't found a hosting provider that even talks about it, but the
requirement seems reasonable, and if the provider has the necessary
infrastructure (load-balancing, etc.) in place, I don't see why it
shouldn't be able to cope with temporary spikes in access to any
particular
site it hosts. On the other hand, if the infrastructure isn't there, and
different web sites are just stuck on specific PCs, individual web sites
may become unavailable during peak access, taking down co-hosted web sites
with them. I'd like to be able to tell the former type of provider from
the
latter. If that's not possible, I'd like to be able to pick the host that
is more likely to work in this type of situation.


There's a difference between slashdotting and DoS and DDos.

To begin with, yes, if your site gets hit with traffic spikes, most should
be able to deal with it, unless you're SDotted and everyone on the net goes
;)

DoS protection is a nuther matter altogether.
There isn't a provider out there that can guarantee protection, that's why
your statement is spot on.
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I haven't found a hosting provider that even talks about it...
They can battle it, but guarantee protection?
William Tasso
Writing in news:alt.www.webmaster
From the safety of the cafeteria
Allis <allis@allis> said:

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"alex goldman" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
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DoS protection is a nuther matter altogether.
There isn't a provider out there that can guarantee protection, that's
why
your statement is spot on.
I haven't found a hosting provider that even talks about it...
They can battle it, but guarantee protection?
No way.


Guarantee? no, but there is this:

Online service foils ransom plot

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4579623.stm

Quote: "The e-mail was a ransom note offering a stark choice - immediately
send a wire for $10,000 to a European bank account or face an attack on
the company's servers."

More information: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps5888/

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Allis
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Writing in news:alt.www.webmaster
From the safety of the  cafeteria
Allis <allis@allis> said:


"alex goldman" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
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DoS protection is a nuther matter altogether.
There isn't a provider out there that can guarantee protection, that's
why
your statement is spot on.
I haven't found a hosting provider that even talks about it...
They can battle it, but guarantee protection?
No way.


Guarantee?  no, but there is this:

Online service foils ransom plot

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4579623.stm

Quote: "The e-mail was a ransom note offering a stark choice - immediately
send a wire for $10,000 to a European bank account or face an attack on
the company's servers."

More information:  http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps5888/

--
William Tasso

Yes, heard of this.
The same type of thing happened to 2 Checkout and AuthorizeNET.


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Allis
http://themooseisloose.net

MGW
On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:59:12 +0100, "William Tasso"
<[Email Removed]> wrote:

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Guarantee?  no, but there is this:

Online service foils ransom plot

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4579623.stm

Quote: "The e-mail was a ransom note offering a stark choice - immediately
send a wire for $10,000 to a European bank account or face an attack on
the company's servers."

Interesting quote in the article:

"According to the Honeynet Project, set up to create solutions to
security problems, there are over one million zombie computers.
Britain has the largest zombie PC population of anywhere in the
world."

Any idea why that would be?

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MGW

John Bokma
MGW <[Email Removed]> wrote:

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"According to the Honeynet Project, set up to create solutions to
security problems, there are over one million zombie computers.
Britain has the largest zombie PC population of anywhere in the
world."

Any idea why that would be?

I blame the cooking :-)

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alex goldman
MGW wrote:

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On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 17:59:12 +0100, "William Tasso"
<[Email Removed]> wrote:

Guarantee?  no, but there is this:

Online service foils ransom plot

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4579623.stm

Quote: "The e-mail was a ransom note offering a stark choice - immediately
send a wire for $10,000 to a European bank account or face an attack on
the company's servers."

Interesting quote in the article:

"According to the Honeynet Project, set up to create solutions to
security problems, there are over one million zombie computers.
Britain has the largest zombie PC population of anywhere in the
world."

Any idea why that would be?

Maybe because Americans don't trust anyone, and are less likely to fall for
"click me for free " or whatever. Germans nicht verstehen, so they
don't fall for that stuff either.

Steve Sobol
alex goldman wrote:

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Maybe because Americans don't trust anyone,

Maybe not in your world, but in mine there are a lot of Americans that will
click on links in phishing/scam emails, participate in "419" scams, etc.

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Matt Probert
Once upon a time, far far away MGW <[Email Removed]> muttered

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"According to the Honeynet Project, set up to create solutions to
security problems, there are over one million zombie computers.
Britain has the largest zombie PC population of anywhere in the
world."

Any idea why that would be?

Britons are much less PC-literate than Americans, and yet PCs are very
widespread in Britain now.

Matt

CJM
"Matt Probert" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
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Britons are much less PC-literate than Americans,

But of a wild assumption... Based on what?

http://www.contractoruk.com/news/002062.html - shows that Uk has been up at
the top for quite a while (although as faltered slightly)


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and yet PCs are very widespread in Britain now.


Increasingly so... and this I think is the crux of the issue.

The early-adopters and techies have been online for ages, but now Grandma
wanders cyberspace, and she's not the most clued-up.

CJM

Matt Probert
Once upon a time, far far away "CJM" <[Email Removed]>
muttered

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"Matt Probert" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
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Britons are much less PC-literate than Americans,

But of a wild assumption... Based on what?

Based upon my experience in the wild.


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http://www.contractoruk.com/news/002062.html - shows that Uk has been up at
the top for quite a while (although as faltered slightly)


and yet PCs are very widespread in Britain now.


Increasingly so... and this I think is the crux of the issue.

The early-adopters and techies have been online for ages, but now Grandma
wanders cyberspace, and she's not the most clued-up.

Like I said "Britons are much less PC-literate than Americans", by
which I wasn't meaning that those who are computer literate are in any
way less so than their US counterparts, just that the ordinary "man in
the street", or "Fred Blogs" if you prefer (to indicate my own
nationality) is less likely to be as computer literate as his US
counterpart (John Doe).

Matt

Charles Sweeney
Matt Probert wrote

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Once upon a time, far far away "CJM" <[Email Removed]
muttered
But of a wild assumption... Based on what?

Based upon my experience in the wild.

Matt used to live in Basingstoke.

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http://CharlesSweeney.com

CJM
"Matt Probert" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
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Like I said "Britons are much less PC-literate than Americans", by
which I wasn't meaning that those who are computer literate are in any
way less so than their US counterparts, just that the ordinary "man in
the street", or "Fred Blogs" if you prefer (to indicate my own
nationality) is less likely to be as computer literate as his US
counterpart (John Doe).


Alternatively, you could view it this way:

UK and other comparable countries have equally literate populations, but the
UK may have more of them online than many others....


In actual fact, I suspect the real reasons behind this issue depends on a
number of factors. Cost & availability of scurity software, attitude and
approach of ISPs, and a billion other reasons that I can't even begin to
think of.

I suspect that there is little difference (demographically-speaking) between
the big English-speaking nations, and that the reason are more to do with
the culture and environment.

I'm my own experience, there are a shocklingly large amount of people (in
the UK) who are vaguely aware that there are security issues to be faced by
all of us, but who are too bone-idle to act upon it.

CJM

CJM
"Charles Sweeney" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
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Matt used to live in Basingstoke.


We wont hold that against him.

Matt Probert
Once upon a time, far far away "CJM" <[Email Removed]>
muttered

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"Matt Probert" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
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Like I said "Britons are much less PC-literate than Americans", by
which I wasn't meaning that those who are computer literate are in any
way less so than their US counterparts, just that the ordinary "man in
the street", or "Fred Blogs" if you prefer (to indicate my own
nationality) is less likely to be as computer literate as his US
counterpart (John Doe).


Alternatively, you could view it this way:


I could, but let me ask you. Do you associate with blue-collar
workers? I spend most of my time around builders, mechanics,
engineers, single-mothers and the like, and they use the Internet, but
don't know very much about computers, and even less about security.

When I worked in offices (as a computer consultant) my colleagues all
associated with like-minded people, they never mixed with "ordinary"
people, and as such were blissfully unaware of how the ordinary
man-in-the-street thought about computers.

Matt

Matt Probert
Once upon a time, far far away "CJM" <[Email Removed]>
muttered

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"Charles Sweeney" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
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Matt used to live in Basingstoke.


We wont hold that against him.


No, please don't. I certainly am *not* Basingstoke-man (which is not a
pleasant animal).

Matt

Allis
"Matt Probert" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
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I spend most of my time around single-mothers,

Matt

Hmmm.... ;)


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Matt Probert
Once upon a time, far far away "Allis" <allis@allis> muttered

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"Matt Probert" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message

I spend most of my time around single-mothers,

Matt

Hmmm.... ;)


Swine!

That's not quite what I said!!!

Matt

William Tasso
Writing in news:alt.www.webmaster
From the safety of the NTL cafeteria
Matt Probert <[Email Removed]> said:

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Once upon a time, far far away "Allis" <allis@allis> muttered


"Matt Probert" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message

I spend most of my time around single-mothers,

Matt

Hmmm.... ;)


Swine!

That's not quite what I said!!!


hrmmm - has a certain poetic charm :)


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William Tasso

Dennis
On 27 Jun 2005 Matt Probert wrote in alt.www.webmaster

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Once upon a time, far far away "Allis" <allis@allis> muttered


"Matt Probert" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message

I spend most of my time around single-mothers,

Matt

Hmmm.... ;)


Swine!
Not.

That's not quite what I said!!!

Matt

Yes you did.



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Dennis

MGW
On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 15:42:38 GMT, [Email Removed]
(Matt Probert) wrote:

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Once upon a time, far far away "CJM" <[Email Removed]
muttered


"Matt Probert" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:[Email Removed]...

Like I said "Britons are much less PC-literate than Americans", by
which I wasn't meaning that those who are computer literate are in any
way less so than their US counterparts, just that the ordinary "man in
the street", or "Fred Blogs" if you prefer (to indicate my own
nationality) is less likely to be as computer literate as his US
counterpart (John Doe).


Alternatively, you could view it this way:


I could, but let me ask you. Do you associate with blue-collar
workers? I spend most of my time around builders, mechanics,
engineers, single-mothers and the like, and they use the Internet, but
don't know very much about computers, and even less about security.

When I worked in offices (as a computer consultant) my colleagues all
associated with like-minded people, they never mixed with "ordinary"
people, and as such were blissfully unaware of how the ordinary
man-in-the-street thought about computers.

It's not just blue-collar workers. Doctors and lawyers are incredibly
ignorant about the computers they use - even for such simple things as
email.


--

MGW

Matt Probert
Once upon a time, far far away MGW <[Email Removed]> muttered


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It's not just blue-collar workers.  Doctors and lawyers are incredibly
ignorant about the computers they use - even for such simple things as
email.

Not associating with them I couldn't comment.

Matt

CJM
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Matt Probert" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
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Once upon a time, far far away MGW <[Email Removed]> muttered


It's not just blue-collar workers.  Doctors and lawyers are incredibly
ignorant about the computers they use - even for such simple things as
email.

Not associating with them I couldn't comment.

Matt


I associate with wide range of people, even single mothers (though I
probably dont have Matt's level of familiarity with them. Allegedly), and I
would say the IT ignorance is not related to professional status. What it
more, I would say that it is the same across the globe.

Incidently, one of the most clued-up friends I have is a single mum - she
had a disability that tied her to her home, and so her PC was a valuable
tool for communcating with the world - so she made damn sure her PC was kept
in decent nick...

As does my brother-in-law who runs his own business, but my friend who is an
NHS manager couldnt give a monkey's - as long as he can check out the sports
pages...

CJM

MGW
On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 05:49:40 GMT, [Email Removed]
(Matt Probert) wrote:

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Once upon a time, far far away MGW <[Email Removed]> muttered


It's not just blue-collar workers.  Doctors and lawyers are incredibly
ignorant about the computers they use - even for such simple things as
email.

Not associating with them I couldn't comment.

I associate with a wide variety of people, including blue-collar
workers and single moms (being one). I also run email lists for an
organization that has a lot of lawyers as members, plus have worked
with doctors in the past. Of all the groups I deal with in my various
listowner roles, the docs and lawyers are the absolutely most
difficult - they don't want to learn anythign, they just want other
people to take care of everything for them (as they are used to having
secretarial staff to play mommy to them). Not all of them, of course,
but a sadly high percentage.

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MGW


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