"Make pages for users, not for search engines. Don't deceive your users
or present different content to search engines than you display to
users, which is commonly referred to as "cloaking.""
http://www.google.com/intl/en/webmasters/guidelines.html

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Mark Parnell
http://www.clarkecomputers.com.au

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Dennis

Yes it does. But it will likely get your site banned from Google at
least, and probably other search engines as well.

It also shows on UAs with no CSS or CSS disabled.

Try telling Google that.

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Mark Parnell
http://www.clarkecomputers.com.au

I've used it on 1 of my sites for the past 3 years with no adverse effect. On
mouseover it shows.

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Dennis

The software used is a convenience - each poster is responsible for the
content of their postings to usenet.

If your software is letting you down - get a new one.

--
William Tasso

http://blinkynet.net/comp/uip5.html has a list of Google sites still
using the old (aka decent) interface.

Google isn't going to see the source of the PHP script anyway - it will
only see the final output.

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Mark Parnell
http://www.clarkecomputers.com.au

Rubbish.

He doesn't have to, they'll know. But if the hidden text is on-topic
for the site and it's a good content-rich site then I see no reason
why he should be banned.

BB
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www.kruse.co.uk/ [Email Removed]
seo that watches the river flow...
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Yes they do. Use the reply link instead of the quick reply textarea.

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David Dorward <http://blog.dorward.me.uk/> <http://dorward.me.uk/>
Home is where the ~/.bashrc is

Really? Have you read Google's guidelines I posted before?

From the same page:
"Avoid hidden text or hidden links."

Hidden text is a well-known method of "spamming" the search engines.
They don't look on it very favourably. Who knows - the OP may not get
dropped from the search engines, but it is likely that he will.

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Mark Parnell
http://www.clarkecomputers.com.au

made my own quotes for y'all there....


Anyway, I hadn't planned to put it in the source of the PHP script :)

Warrrra guy!

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Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com

Nice stuff you have there Mr D!

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Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com

I don't need to guess, I know it does:
http://dorward.me.uk/tmp/g-groups.png (and that's just from hitting the
reply button (the proper one in the options, not the quick reply one under
the message)).

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David Dorward <http://blog.dorward.me.uk/> <http://dorward.me.uk/>
Home is where the ~/.bashrc is

Google isn't this super evil super god... they don't like abuse, but
their are a lot of uses of hidden text, including marking your own
scripts, Dreamweaver uses them to mark out templates, many CMS uses
them, CSS often hides text which may be shown when printed...

Google doesn't like abuse, but its not going to penalize people randomly
.... it is VERY unlikely that google will drop them from the search
engine...

The sites I work on are frequently at number one for what we want, where
we discuss a product it often beats the leading brand behind it.

Google WILL not rank a site if you don't have content, rely on images
etc...

However I would reccomend deleting the research page until you have
something on it, for some reason google does seem to dislike "coming soon"

What you could do is ask to tell you where its being used... provide a
form for it ...

G

well waddaya know! The reply button was "hidden!"

That's not hidden text. Those are comments.

Only if web designer writes CSS to do that.

Indeed, it's targeted, not randomly :-)

I did lose a daily Google visit once because of a hidden link. I
realised what happened on the second day, and took the link off. It
took a month before Googlebot started the old daily routine again.

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Els http://locusmeus.com/
Sonhos vem. Sonhos vo. O resto imperfeito.
- Renato Russo -

Thanks. It's just off of a template from www.oswd.org

Very useful site.

I was thinking more about your content!

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Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com

Naughty naughty girl!

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Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com

That's me :-)

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Els http://locusmeus.com/
Sonhos vem. Sonhos vo. O resto imperfeito.
- Renato Russo -
Now playing: LuLu - The Man Who Sold The World

URL? pics?

only kiddin' <g>

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William Tasso

## X-NoRead-Els ##

Els can't see this.

I think she's on the sauce again, mate.

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Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com

I'm offended.
(cause you feel the need to explain you're kidding ;-) )

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Els http://locusmeus.com/
Sonhos vem. Sonhos vo. O resto imperfeito.
- Renato Russo -
Now playing: Don McLean - American Pie

Now, I'm shocked :)

That bit wasn't for /you/ ;)

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William Tasso

Speechless...
.... can't believe that - Mr. Tasso of AWW - shocked!?

Ah!
That's okay then - Charles can be offended instead ;P

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Els http://locusmeus.com/
Sonhos vem. Sonhos vo. O resto imperfeito.
- Renato Russo -
Now playing: Ellen Foley - We Belong To The Night

That'll be the day <g>

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William Tasso

:o

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Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com

Guideline. Not an absolute.

Actually it's likely that he won't. It really depends upon what else
is available in the index for that category. If all the other sites
are similarly spammed then no engine can drop them otherwise they'll
have no category. So, people looking for results in that category will
have to go to another engine to find results. Not a good thing for an
engine. So, while they'd really all prefer that people didn't make
sites with dumb stuff like hidden text, the engines will take what
they can get. And they do. Because they have to.

BB

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www.kruse.co.uk/ [Email Removed]
seo that watches the river flow...
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You assumed that was what happened, Els, doesn't mean you were correct
in that.

BB
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www.kruse.co.uk/ [Email Removed]
seo that watches the river flow...
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Els is a girl?

BB
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www.kruse.co.uk/ [Email Removed]
seo that watches the river flow...
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You sound surprised?
For the record: I've always been a girl. Even when I didn't wanna be,
cause playing football and climbing trees is so much more fun than
Barbies <g>

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Els http://locusmeus.com/
Sonhos vem. Sonhos vo. O resto imperfeito.
- Renato Russo -

Correct. If it wasn't the cause, it was awfully coincidental though.
That site had the Googlebot visiting literally every day for months,
and 1 day after I placed that link, it disappeared for a month, and it
never stopped after it started again.

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Els http://locusmeus.com/
Sonhos vem. Sonhos vo. O resto imperfeito.
- Renato Russo -

I dunno... pulling the heads off Barbies[1] was *always* fun ;)

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[1] Note to self: Do not let spell checker correct this to "babies".

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Dylan Parry
http://webpageworkshop.co.uk -- FREE Web tutorials and references

You mean your sister didn't hit you hard enough for it? :-)

<g>

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Els http://locusmeus.com/
Sonhos vem. Sonhos vo. O resto imperfeito.
- Renato Russo -

I don't have a sister. I went round with my vicious gang of evil
toddlers, and rounded up all the local barbies ;)

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Dylan Parry
http://webpageworkshop.co.uk -- FREE Web tutorials and references

I can just picture that <g>

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Els http://locusmeus.com/
Sonhos vem. Sonhos vo. O resto imperfeito.
- Renato Russo -

You bet she is! Perhaps "sophisticated woman" would be a better
description!

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Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com

:-)

Which only goes to show you never met me - LOL!

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Els http://locusmeus.com/
Sonhos vem. Sonhos vo. O resto imperfeito.
- Renato Russo -

Better to stay within their guidelines, I would say.

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Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com

:o)

I think I prefer "naughty naughty girl"!

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Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com

That happened to me too. The power of suggestion!

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Charles Sweeney
http://CharlesSweeney.com

GAH! Since you mentioned that, I couldn't read any of this post or the
following ones without making the substitution :|

Grey

Personally I'm not willing to take that risk. The guidelines are there
for a reason.

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Mark Parnell
http://www.clarkecomputers.com.au