Personally, I look to WC3. Up to now, using fully (validated) WC3
compliant CSS and XHTML, Opera creates a third standard which is
different in many respects from Netscape/Mozilla/etc. and IE. The
current Opera breaks nested <div> with relative values.

Frankly, given that Firefox is open source, free . . . .
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You're kidding, right? You must be unaware of all the critical rendering
bugs in Mozilla, caused by years of bloat and poor management. Things
which both Opera and MSIE handle without any problem. I actually had to
hack some CSS to overcome this one only a few hours ago:

<http://www.greywyvern.com/code/firefox/Bug-NoClearHeaders>

Firefox disobeys the CSS clear property on the first element in a box if
the previous box contained all floated content.

Here's another one I found a couple weeks ago:

<http://www.greywyvern.com/code/firefox/Bug-FloatCancelation>

float:none; fails to override a float:left; in a rule further up the
cascade.

Open source is nice, but free is no excuse for +7000 open bug reports and
6 unpatched Secunia vulnerabilities on Firefox alone.

Grey

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One thing that has frustrated me with Firefox is my apparent inability to
specify the border colour for a table and have it display in my selected
colour. I have tried both the attribute,
border-color="black"
and the style,
border-color: black
and I still get a two-tone grey as seen in this partial screenshot:
http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~af380/temp/border-color.gif
(with a portion of the table for my sliding-block puzzle shown full-sized
and also magnified by the Windows magnifier)[2].

Does anyone have a fix for that?

[1] or "gray" depending on your preferred spelling.
[2] Note that almost nothing in my "temp" directory has a guaranteed
life of more than a week.
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Neither of which are as close as Opera. :-)

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<style type="text/css">
.mytable {
border: 2px solid black;
border-collapse: collapse;
}
.mytable td, .mytable th {
1px solid black;
}
th, .th {
color: white;
background: black;
}
</style>
<table class="mytable" summary="Table illustrating Foo Bar">
<caption>Foo Bar</caption>
<thead>
<tr>
<td class="th">&nbsp;</td>
<th scope="col">A</th>
<th scope="col">B</th>
<th scope="col">C</th>
</tr>
</thead>
<tbody>
<tr>
<th scope="row">1</th>
<td>A1</td>
<td>B1</td>
<td>C1</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<th scope="row">2</th>
<td>A2</td>
<td>B2</td>
<td>C2</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>

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Both have completed it already:
http://webstandards.org/buzz/archive/2005_06.html#a000526

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border:3px solid black;

The HTML style you used: border-color="black", is incorrect, that
would be bordercolor="black". But removing that, and setting the
border to black /and/ give it the style 'solid' in CSS, solves your
problem.
The two-tone grey is caused by a style called inset or outset. I don't
know if that's default for Firefox, or if it's set anywhere in your
JavaScript or something, but explicitly setting it to 'solid' helps
:-)

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That did the trick, thanks to both you and Els for responding.

According to references I had downloaded, "border-color" should have
worked as either a style (according to a CSS reference) or as an
attribute (according to an HTML reference). A (very large) page on
the W3C site seemed to agree with the former:
http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS1#border-color

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That's only the colour. Not the style.
border:2px solid black; is the same as:
border-color:black;
border-width:2px;
border-style:solid;

The two-tone effect on the border wasn't caused by lack of 'black',
but by lack of 'solid' :-)

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Hmmm... interesting. Still, none of the browsers that pass it are on
general release yet (iCab is a beta, Konq is still in CVS and Safari is
not even at beta stage yet)

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They're still ahead of Opera though. ;-)

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