Hi Boy.

Never ever pay money for SEO software or services, unless you are truly
busy and cannot make the simple, common-sense layout for your website.

There is no magic solution, you can only do so much.

Take Google's advice here:

http://www.google.com/webmasters/

That's all you need to know.

If you wan't more customers, then you can use a method that has been
used successfully in the real world for many years. Advertise. Google
Adwords are pretty good.

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SEO Software ?

TBH I personally don't think their really is such a thing a highligher
(such as in google search bar) and experience are the best combination
.... (well, mainly experience) their are a lot of tools such as links
counters etc... seochat is an excellent resource ...

G

Human Brain 1.01. It's freeware but may not be compatible with some
Windows systems.

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I regularly see installations of Human Brain 0.6 though, which is not
what you need, cause it's very difficult to upgrade - that version
doesn't have the automatic upgrade plugin yet.

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No problem. People who have Human Brain 0.6 installed are an important
market for spammers and the sellers of SEO software. Eventually they will
all die out due to Viagra overdoses, drowning in septic tanks when they
overbalance due to their enormous breasts, or die due to the blood loss
caused by catching their 18 inch penises in their flies every time they
put their trousers on.

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Make poverty history
http://www.live8live.com/

Well, not sure how long that all takes - not only do they reproduce
and have offspring with Human Brain 0.6.01, but look at how long it's
taking IE5 already.

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1.01 ??? Where do I get an upgrade? I'm still using 0.3 Beta!

Matt

Ah, yes! That I can relate to. The 18 inch penis issue. And isn't that
porcelain cold?

Matt

I'm afraid you'll need a complete reinstall - 0.3 wasn't upgradeable
at all.

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You're lucky you have the beta version! The alpha version didn't have
full I/O implemented and didn't allow text based communications.

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...and deep, too...

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Technically the same holds for webdesign. You make it sound like all SEO
services are frauds.

Quite a lot of people lack the skills or the time, or both. Again, same
holds for webdesign. Read a book, read w3c, and off you go.

I have the first SERP for perl programmer (#2 actually). I don't even want
to think about how much I have to pay per week to have my ad on the same
page. Moreover, what do you think is more effective? An ad to the left, or
a snippet to the right?

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Oh yes I've encoutered emulators of that. There's a good emulator for
Brain 0.1 Alpha, works on most later releases, it's called
"Six-Pack-Of-Beer".

Matt

The floor tiles are dusty too.

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A lot of them are ...

However a lot of websites out there aren't optimised at all ... Its no
accident that our sites come up no1 for some pretty competitive terms!
and generate traffic from a lot of uncompetitive terms!!!

example - Sell Your House isn't optimised at all for search engines, the
only way to access the listings is via the search....

Major part of my job is SEO and yes it is common sense, combined with
experience! a good SEO will be pretty clever and have a good deal of
experience.

Same could be told about many, many so called web "design" companies.

Yup, like a lot of websites are extremely badly designed.

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Free advertising always beats paid-for advertising, naturally and
obviously.

I am very pleased with the visitors I get from search engines, but I
have always treated them as a BONUS, nothing more, nothing less. No-one
has a RIGHT to their position on a search engine, and only a fool would
take it for granted.

Most sites that are starting out, even using good common-sense
practices, will not be topping the search engines, so it makes sense for
them to advertise.

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http://CharlesSweeney.com

Are you talking about my site Gerry? If so, then you could not be more
wrong.

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Or read up some SEO techniques, or hire someone.

All the above you wrote holds for web design too, yet you make it sound
like all companies offering SEO are just crooks selling air.

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Well......The comparisons between SEO companies and estate agents is
quite striking.

Which doesn't make all SEO companies crooks, but there do seem to be a
lot of unscrupulous players preying on the naivety and vanity of some
people.

Matt

It's the same in any industry and more so with new industries,
particularly those like seo where so much is arguably only opinion.
It's so volatile a code of conduct would be difficult to arrive at,
let alone observe under all the myriad circumstances one comes across
out there.

BB

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I'm not a newbie, but many come across to me as bamboozle merchants. I
hate to see new people getting taken in by (often good intentioned)
bullshit.

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Again, the same holds for webdesign. And programming. As soon as there is
business the crooks pop up. I have seen website "designs" that would make
anyone serious in that business cry.

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While I won't go so far as to say there are no legitimate SEO companies, I
can say that I have yet to see one that actually knew what they were doing.

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Tony Garcia
Web Right! Development

I can point you at two or three if you need one. The really good ones tend
to be expensive though and many concentrate on a relatively narrow field.
However there are a few good all rounders.

The key thing is to keep your eye on the ball. As a site owner you may
well not actually want to rank number one on Google for a search term, or
to have lots of extra traffic. You probably want more paying customers or
more advertising revenue, and if the SEO isn't able to understand what you
require on that basis then they won't be likely to do you much good. They
can't deliver a target of X extra paying customers since that's partly
down to how good your product is, but they can deliver extra people to the
point of sale on a basis that those people expressed some interest in
something directly relevant.

Of course there are also some who are only able to deliver extra cash to
their own bank accounts, but then the same is true of design. If a web
site doesn't actually do the business then it too is a waste of money even
if there is something there to look at.

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eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"

A VERY important point. Reading www.webmasterworld.com I am constantly
amazed at the people who think that "page rank" or "SERP" is the most
important factor. Unless you're running an ego site, it's not.

What is important, as Eric says, is "money"

Matt


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Over 16,000 searchable slang definitions from around
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Don't forget '' and 'food'

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Food is important?
;-)

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I remember food, but what's ? I seem to vaguely recall it as being
something I did many years ago before getting married....

Matt

Depends, with PageRank you can tweak your pages faster, and hence get
faster and better positions in the SERPs you guess your customers are
going to use.

But of course I agree with you (a bit reading up on my posts in
alt.internet.search-engines would confirm this), since I argue often
with someone who tries to convince me that I should add every piece of
free Perl content I can get to my site, and make as many pages as
possible.

Moreover, I should focus on the SERP for perl programmers, not perl
programmer. Well, I am 1 perl programmer, and not interested in having
every day a customer that wants to hire me for 3 months, unless I can
train my scorpions and tarantula to become excellent perl programmers
:-D.

Yup. I think the main problem with SEO is that many people in that
business want money, and hence want to sell something. And what is
easier then selling 20,000 extra pages which result in 3.000 visitors a
day? It can be measured, look, you get twice as much visitors.

And they overlook that the first 3,000 visitors were obtained with just
400 pages, with carefully crafted content.

SEO is also often a long term something. Customers complain if they
don't see significant results in 3 weeks.

SEO and webdesign are closely related, but of course there are many out
there who do SEO but don't even understand basic HTML, and there are
webdesigners who are able to design something that hardly can be found.

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Right now I'd settle for any of the three.

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eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"

Very true. There pretty much can't be any results within the first month.
It should generally be possible to make a noticeable difference within 3
months, but really SEO pays dividends over months not weeks.

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eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"

Enough of one, and the others are easy.

You can figure out which is which :)

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Web Right! Development
Riverside, CA
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It was hard enough training the chimps.

BB (tourist mode)



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Hey!

BB
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And what was that first thing again?

BB
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You mean beer?

Or as the story goes....

Snow White though that 7-up was a drink, until she discovered vodka.

Matt

I think I saw it happen last night: http://tinyurl.com/by6su

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Well, hey! - I won't be doing *that* again!

BB
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