Al the website's in my sig were designed with Front Page. When I use Front
Pages error check it's showing me dozens of errors. I'm not blaming FP being
that I did a lot of moving things around and changing fonts. But please take
a look at the source for say, www.brokeragenttraing.com or
www.over100percent.com. It amazes me it even works. The extra tags are just
over the top! Is there any quick way to clean up this awful code? I remember
Jimco had some utilities for that but will it work on a mess like I have?
--
Warmest regards,
Steve Horrillo, Realtor / C.Ht.
http://BrokerAgentTraining.com (MLXchange & Computer Training for Real
Estate Professionals)
http://over100percent.com (Realtors Earn Over 100 Percent at EXIT Realty)
http:/HipFSBO.com (Object to Paying Commission? Find a FSBO Friendly Real
Estate Professional)
http://eLOWn.com ("Got a heartbeat?" Get a loan! Credit Repair Library)
Full Version: Fixing Dirt Filthy Front Page Code
Steve Horrillo wrote:
| QUOTE |
| Al the website's in my sig were designed with Front Page. When I use Front Pages error check it's showing me dozens of errors. I'm not blaming FP being that I did a lot of moving things around and changing fonts. But please take a look at the source for say, www.brokeragenttraing.com or www.over100percent.com. It amazes me it even works. The extra tags are just over the top! Is there any quick way to clean up this awful code? I remember Jimco had some utilities for that but will it work on a mess like I have? |
I do remember your name, which means you've been around for a while
here. You /have/ heard about the difference between crossposting and
multi-posting, right? And about reading the past weeks of messages to
see if anyone else asked your question yet? There's a thread, started
an hour and 43 minutes ago, with "optimizing source code" in the
subject. It may have some answers for you.
--
Els http://locusmeus.com/
Sonhos vem. Sonhos vo. O resto imperfeito.
- Renato Russo -
Now playing: Goo Goo Dolls - Iris
On 2-Jul-2005, Els <[Email Removed]> wrote:
| QUOTE |
| I do remember your name, which means you've been around for a while here. You /have/ heard about the difference between crossposting and multi-posting, right? And about reading the past weeks of messages to see if anyone else asked your question yet? There's a thread, started an hour and 43 minutes ago, with "optimizing source code" in the subject. It may have some answers for you. |
I read it and didn't see a good answer. As far as cross-posting, I don't
dare cross-post to a FP group and a non FP group. Flame wars will start. I
multi-posted because I know not all the same people subscribe to all
newsgroups. Nor can everyone access every newsgroup. Common sense tells me
that multi-posting increases the potential readership. Can give me a valid
reason this is not true? Shouldn't you be telling people not to
multi-subscribe rather than to not multi-post? This taboo on multi-posting
makes no logical sense to me. I'm not trying to be contrary. Maybe it's
because of the sophitication of my newsreader (newsrover) that I don't see
what the big deal is. Please explain.
Warmest regards,
Steve Horrillo, Realtor / C.Ht.
http://BrokerAgentTraining.com (MLXchange & Computer Training for Real
Estate Professionals)
http://over100percent.com (Realtors Earn Over 100 Percent at EXIT Realty)
http:/HipFSBO.com (Object to Paying Commission? Find a FSBO Friendly Real
Estate Professional)
http://eLOWn.com ("Got a heartbeat?" Get a loan! Credit Repair Library)
Els wrote:
| QUOTE |
| I do remember your name, which means you've been around for a while here. You /have/ heard about the difference between crossposting and multi-posting, right? |
He multi-posted to alt.html and alt.html.critique.
After looking at the code in a couple of the sites, I would sorta
recommend starting over, using for example, a nice three-column
template for that broker training thingy.
--
-bts
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Steve Horrillo wrote:
| QUOTE |
| On 2-Jul-2005, Els <[Email Removed]> wrote: I do remember your name, which means you've been around for a while here. You /have/ heard about the difference between crossposting and multi-posting, right? And about reading the past weeks of messages to see if anyone else asked your question yet? There's a thread, started an hour and 43 minutes ago, with "optimizing source code" in the subject. It may have some answers for you. I read it and didn't see a good answer. As far as cross-posting, I don't dare cross-post to a FP group and a non FP group. Flame wars will start. |
Understood. But I don't read any FP groups, yet I saw the same message
4 times.
| QUOTE |
| I multi-posted because I know not all the same people subscribe to all newsgroups. Nor can everyone access every newsgroup. Common sense tells me that multi-posting increases the potential readership. Can give me a valid reason this is not true? |
No, cause it is indeed true. But crossposting (at least to all the
non-FP groups) means that whatever answer is given in group a, will be
seen in group b too. It means that Adrienne can see Stacey and Bill's
answers, and they can see hers. It means that the same answer doesn't
need to be given by 4 different people.
| QUOTE |
| Shouldn't you be telling people not to multi-subscribe rather than to not multi-post? This taboo on multi-posting makes no logical sense to me. I'm not trying to be contrary. Maybe it's because of the sophitication of my newsreader (newsrover) that I don't see what the big deal is. Please explain. |
As I just did. Crossposting has the benefits of posting to multiple
groups, but not the drawback of 4 separate conversations. You must
agree that when you have a group of 10 people, who discuss an idea,
more and better stuff comes out than if you make that 5 groups of 2
people? It's called interaction.
Oh, and a 7 line sig is rather large. Especially if you don't use a
sig separator.
Something for you to explain to me too: what is so sophosticated about
newsrover that means you don't see a problem with 4 identical posts in
4 different groups? My newsreader is so 'sophisticated' that it sees a
crossposted message, and does not show it to me again when I happen to
subscribe to more than one of the groups.
--
Els http://locusmeus.com/
Sonhos vem. Sonhos vo. O resto imperfeito.
- Renato Russo -
Now playing: Phil Collins - In The Air Tonight
Steve Horrillo wrote:
| QUOTE |
| I read it and didn't see a good answer. As far as cross-posting, I don't dare cross-post to a FP group and a non FP group. Flame wars will start. |
You have a point. Do not cross-post and include the FP group along
with any of these alt.* groups.
| QUOTE |
| I multi-posted because I know not all the same people subscribe to all newsgroups. Nor can everyone access every newsgroup. Common sense tells me that multi-posting increases the potential readership. Can give me a valid reason this is not true? |
| QUOTE |
| Shouldn't you be telling people not to multi-subscribe rather than to not multi-post? |
What? You want me to drop *my* subscription to alt.html.critique and
c.i.w.a.h so I won't see your multi-posted message? To be blunt, that
is absurd.
| QUOTE |
| This taboo on multi-posting makes no logical sense to me. I'm not trying to be contrary. Maybe it's because of the sophitication of my newsreader (newsrover) that I don't see what the big deal is. Please explain. |
Your particular newsreader would have nothing to do with it. Any
competent newsreader allows cross-posting to more than one group.
--
-bts
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On 2-Jul-2005, "Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <[Email Removed]>
wrote:
wrote:
| QUOTE |
| Steve Horrillo wrote: I read it and didn't see a good answer. As far as cross-posting, I don't dare cross-post to a FP group and a non FP group. Flame wars will start. You have a point. Do not cross-post and include the FP group along with any of these alt.* groups. I multi-posted because I know not all the same people subscribe to all newsgroups. Nor can everyone access every newsgroup. Common sense tells me that multi-posting increases the potential readership. Can give me a valid reason this is not true? Several here: http://oakroadsystems.com/genl/unice.htm#xpost Shouldn't you be telling people not to multi-subscribe rather than to not multi-post? What? You want me to drop *my* subscription to alt.html.critique and c.i.w.a.h so I won't see your multi-posted message? To be blunt, that is absurd. This taboo on multi-posting makes no logical sense to me. I'm not trying to be contrary. Maybe it's because of the sophitication of my newsreader (newsrover) that I don't see what the big deal is. Please explain. Your particular newsreader would have nothing to do with it. Any competent newsreader allows cross-posting to more than one group. -- |
I read the links you referred me to. Thank you. But in practice multi
posting gets the job done. Sure it makes it easier for those who hang out in
a particular group, but the argument for not multi posting sounds like
rationalization to me. For someone who needs an answer quick, multi-posting
is the way. I filter out any thing but direct reply's. So should anyone who
looking for a direct answer to a direct question. If you want to spend your
day bantering back and forth I can understand why cross or multi posting is
frowned upon. It seems that there's a certain percentage of group
participants that think Usenet is their own private forum. I'm sure you
understand that there's other places that are more private and controlled
than Usenet.
Like I said. This is an old taboo that continues in a day in age where
there's alternatives. If you don't like spam or cross/multi-posting join a
moderated Internet forum. At least that's what my take on it is so far.
This is just "sandbox mentality." I can't imagine hanging out on Usenet for
anything but giving or getting information. If you see multiple identical
questions just answer it once and get on with your life. If it's a troll,
don't answer. If it's cross posted strip off the other groups. If it's
multi-posted answer only one time.
As a real life example of multi-posting paying off, I posted to the FP
group. I got a very simple and effective answer. "Right click on the code
and select, "reformat html." I was hoping to get more wisdom outside FP
Groups but if I had followed what was recommended from some of the other
groups I would have wasted tons of time.
Why do people keep cross or muti-posting? Why do people spam? Why are there
still wars? The answer is simple. Because it works. You can make up all the
reasons in the world why it shouldn't, but yet it DOES work. If your
attitude is that you are truly here to help someone, you would look past the
other person's viewpoint and methodology and answer the question. Unless of
course you're just here to show your buddies how smart you are.
It is beyond my imagining that someone would know how to help someone, but
withholds that information just to punish them for not conforming. IIf
that's what these people are made of, I don't want their reply.
But like I said I'm always open changing my mind. But so far if I back up
and try to see this from a neutral point of view, I still can't see the
logic behind wasting hours reading though posts to make sure I'm asking the
right group.
--
Warmest regards,
Steve Horrillo, Realtor / C.Ht.
http://BrokerAgentTraining.com (MLXchange & Computer Training for Real
Estate Professionals)
http://over100percent.com (Realtors Earn Over 100 Percent at EXIT Realty)
http:/HipFSBO.com (Object to Paying Commission? Find a FSBO Friendly Real
Estate Professional)
http://eLOWn.com ("Got a heartbeat?" Get a loan! Credit Repair Library)
Steve Horrillo wrote:
...and how did you get your reply to show up separately in three groups?
--
-bts
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...and how did you get your reply to show up separately in three groups?
--
-bts
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On Sat, 02 Jul 2005 22:00:35 -0400, Steve Horrillo
<[Email Removed]> wrote:
<[Email Removed]> wrote:
| QUOTE |
| I read the links you referred me to. Thank you. But in practice multi posting gets the job done. Sure it makes it easier for those who hang out in a particular group, but the argument for not multi posting sounds like rationalization to me. For someone who needs an answer quick, multi-posting is the way. I filter out any thing but direct reply's. So should anyone who looking for a direct answer to a direct question. If you want to spend your day bantering back and forth I can understand why cross or multi posting is frowned upon. It seems that there's a certain percentage of group participants that think Usenet is their own private forum. I'm sure you understand that there's other places that are more private and controlled than Usenet. |
Here's a reason: because holding the above opinion makes you sound like an
arrogant self-proclaimed usenet-ninja.
I also noticed, in the rest of this post of yours, you began equating
cross-posting and multi-posting, making a straw-man of your belief that
the so called "sandbox mentality" of the usenet-elite condemns both as
heresy. From whence comes your idea that multi-posting is a "taboo" or
misguided tradition? Jeez man, it's just common courtesy! Think about
it! Surely there's still some of that left in you.
Here's a clue: cross-posting = good, multi-posting = bad.
Usenet is *not* about you giving and getting the knowledge you need in the
least amount of time possible. It is a *collective* drive for
enlightenment. If you post your message in 5 newsgroups and get a great
answer in the fourth, your method of posting has deprived *anyone* in
those other four groups of any benefit from your post or the answer which
was provided.
Essentially, you've added to the usenet dead-weight: Threads in newsgroups
which never get answered. Oh yesh, this is a taboo we need to get rid of;
we definitely need less closure and more confusion on usenet.
Grey
--
The technical axiom that nothing is impossible sinisterly implies the
pitfall corollary that nothing is ridiculous.
- http://www.greywyvern.com/webslavent?msg=149 - Presto the Puffin!
On 3-Jul-2005, Adrienne <[Email Removed]> wrote:
| QUOTE |
| The problem with multiposting is that you _do_ have to check serveral groups, and that wastes _your_ time. If you cross post, and set one follow-up to group, then you can get all the answers in several groups whilst only having to check back with one. Also, cross posting is better because others in those cross posted groups may have a similar problem, and will see the response(s). With multiposting, a post replied to in group X will not be seen by a lurker in group Y. Therefore, your answer will probably be quicker, and probably more accurate. |
So what you're saying is that multi or singular posting gets you quality
reply's versus quantity? The way my reader Newsrover works is that you set
up an interest group which will scan a reply in any groups you choose. Then
you can set the filters to only download direct reply's to your subject,
name, e-mail address etc. I've tried it the other way and it seems that the
highest quality responses come as a direct answer to my post. After that it
mutates into another topic or ego banter. I guess some people see Usenet
groups as a warm fuzzy private discussion group rather than the original
bulletin board it was designed to be.
--
Warmest regards,
Steve Horrillo, Realtor / C.Ht.
http://BrokerAgentTraining.com (MLXchange & Computer Training for Real
Estate Professionals)
http://over100percent.com (Realtors Earn Over 100 Percent at EXIT Realty)
http:/HipFSBO.com (Object to Paying Commission? Find a FSBO Friendly Real
Estate Professional)
http://eLOWn.com ("Got a heartbeat?" Get a loan! Credit Repair Library)
Steve Horrillo wrote:
| QUOTE |
| On 3-Jul-2005, Adrienne <[Email Removed]> wrote: The problem with multiposting is that you _do_ have to check serveral groups, and that wastes _your_ time. If you cross post, and set one follow-up to group, then you can get all the answers in several groups whilst only having to check back with one. Also, cross posting is better because others in those cross posted groups may have a similar problem, and will see the response(s). With multiposting, a post replied to in group X will not be seen by a lurker in group Y. Therefore, your answer will probably be quicker, and probably more accurate. So what you're saying is that multi or singular posting gets you quality reply's versus quantity? The way my reader Newsrover works is that you set up an interest group which will scan a reply in any groups you choose. Then you can set the filters to only download direct reply's to your subject, name, e-mail address etc. I've tried it the other way and it seems that the highest quality responses come as a direct answer to my post. After that it mutates into another topic or ego banter. I guess some people see Usenet groups as a warm fuzzy private discussion group rather than the original bulletin board it was designed to be. |
You have just posted this message, including Adrienne's comments, to 4
different newsgroups again. In only one of these newsgroups it's
actually threaded correctly, obviously that's alt.html.critique, where
she posted her reply to your post.
It's /you/ who is using Usenet as their own private forum, it's /you/
who don't give a f#$% about other people on Usenet.
So, if you don't want to change your ways after so many people
requested it in all 4 groups, you're welcome to my killfile, in which
very few people reside. I'm not a regular plonker, but for you I will
have to make an exception.
--
Els http://locusmeus.com/
Sonhos vem. Sonhos vo. O resto imperfeito.
- Renato Russo -
Steve Horrillo wrote
| QUOTE |
| I guess some people see Usenet groups as a warm fuzzy private discussion group |
Precicely. If you ask a question a discussion ensues. That is what usenet is
for. If your question actually gets answered then that that is a bonus. Omit
the word private though. The entire world is looking at your replies and
your failure to co-operate.
| QUOTE |
| rather than the original bulletin board it was designed to be. |
Since when was usenet designed to be a "bulletin board"?
Cheers
Richard.
On 3-Jul-2005, "Stacey" <[Email Removed]> wrote:
| QUOTE |
| Point is, cross posting isn't so much of a huge taboo(unless you are cross posting for the heck of it or to do it as spamming), it is multi posting. Like Els pointed out, if the posting was cross posted correctly, then one would know if you received a good answer or not and not have to be giving the same answer. It works the same way as multi posting just that everyone would be able to see the answers given to the other groups and can either comment or give more or better of an answer. |
I see your point. If it weren't for Goggle I would have to agree my methods
are selfish. Yet like I said, with cross posting you have to be very careful
which groups you mix. Either way draws complaints from the complainers. What
song was it that said, "you can't please everyone, so you got to please
yourself?"
--
Warmest regards,
Steve Horrillo, Realtor / C.Ht.
http://BrokerAgentTraining.com (MLXchange & Computer Training for Real
Estate Professionals)
http://over100percent.com (Realtors Earn Over 100 Percent at EXIT Realty)
http:/HipFSBO.com (Object to Paying Commission? Find a FSBO Friendly Real
Estate Professional)
http://eLOWn.com ("Got a heartbeat?" Get a loan! Credit Repair Library)
On 3-Jul-2005, GreyWyvern <[Email Removed]> wrote:
| QUOTE |
| Usenet is *not* about you giving and getting the knowledge you need in the least amount of time possible. It is a *collective* drive for enlightenment. If you post your message in 5 newsgroups and get a great answer in the fourth, your method of posting has deprived *anyone* in those other four groups of any benefit from your post or the answer which |
That's were our outlook differs. The Internet and Usenet is about efficient
tranfer of INFORMATION. Not for making friends. You can find a Circle Jerk
without the use of a computer.
| QUOTE |
| was provided. Essentially, you've added to the usenet dead-weight: Threads in newsgroups which never get answered. Oh yesh, this is a taboo we need to get rid of; we definitely need less closure and more confusion on usenet. |
You need to get Newsrover and that will end your confusion.
--
All the best,
NOYB
Warmest regards,
Steve Horrillo, Realtor / C.Ht.
http://BrokerAgentTraining.com (MLXchange & Computer Training for Real
Estate Professionals)
http://over100percent.com (Realtors Earn Over 100 Percent at EXIT Realty)
http:/HipFSBO.com (Object to Paying Commission? Find a FSBO Friendly Real
Estate Professional)
http://eLOWn.com ("Got a heartbeat?" Get a loan! Credit Repair Library)
On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 08:12:43 -0400, Steve Horrillo
<[Email Removed]> wrote:
<[Email Removed]> wrote:
| QUOTE |
| I see your point. If it weren't for Goggle I would have to agree my methods are selfish. |
"If it weren't for"? So you are saying if your posting method comes
across as selfish, it because I'm using the wrong usenet interface?
| QUOTE |
| Yet like I said, with cross posting you have to be very careful which groups you mix. Either way draws complaints from the complainers. What song was it that said, "you can't please everyone, so you got to please yourself?" |
Continuing to spite the way usenet was intended to work won't make you
very many friends, I assure you. I'm very close to being with Els on this
one.
Grey
Steve Horrillo [Email Removed] wrote in
<YuAxe.27774$[Email Removed]>:
<YuAxe.27774$[Email Removed]>:
| QUOTE |
| Al the website's in my sig were designed with Front Page. When I use Front Pages error check it's showing me dozens of errors. I'm not blaming FP being that I did a lot of moving things around and changing fonts. But please take a look at the source for say, www.brokeragenttraing.com or www.over100percent.com. It amazes me it even works. The extra tags are just over the top! Is there any quick way to clean up this awful code? I remember Jimco had some utilities for that but will it work on a mess like I have? |
The best solution is do a complete redesign. You'll end up doing less work
that way.
--
eric
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 08:23:56 -0400, Steve Horrillo
<[Email Removed]> wrote:
<[Email Removed]> wrote:
| QUOTE |
| On 3-Jul-2005, GreyWyvern <[Email Removed]> wrote: Usenet is *not* about you giving and getting the knowledge you need in the least amount of time possible. It is a *collective* drive for enlightenment. If you post your message in 5 newsgroups and get a great answer in the fourth, your method of posting has deprived *anyone* in those other four groups of any benefit from your post or the answer which That's were our outlook differs. The Internet and Usenet is about efficient tranfer of INFORMATION. Not for making friends. You can find a Circle Jerk without the use of a computer. |
Apparently you don't read, either. I didn't mention anything about
friends; I *too* was talking "about efficient transfer of INFORMATION".
Also, is it truly necessary to sink to crudities? What is your problem?
| QUOTE |
| we definitely need less closure and more confusion on usenet. You need to get Newsrover and that will end your confusion. |
From what I can tell, Newsrover's quoting sucks. Not to mention the
arrogance with which it is being recommended to me. Not only don't you
care what other people think of your multi-posting, but you imply that a
tyranny where all usenet posters are use the same client would make the
world a better place.
You are deluded, which makes it very likely that you'll never change your
mind. So good day, sir.
Grey
--
The technical axiom that nothing is impossible sinisterly implies the
pitfall corollary that nothing is ridiculous.
- http://www.greywyvern.com/webslavent?msg=149 - Presto the Puffin!
Steve Horrillo wrote:
Yet another post that I have read in three other newsgroups before.
Yet another post that I have read in three other newsgroups before.
Once upon a time, far far away Els <[Email Removed]> muttered
| QUOTE |
| I do remember your name, which means you've been around for a while here. You /have/ heard about the difference between crossposting and multi-posting, right? And about reading the past weeks of messages to see if anyone else asked your question yet? There's a thread, started an hour and 43 minutes ago, with "optimizing source code" in the subject. It may have some answers for you. |
Whoa! When did you get elected Miss Whiplash of the AWW Inquisition ?
Not that I'm complaining, Madam, I'd just like to see the
photos.....<g>
Matt
Matt Probert wrote:
| QUOTE |
| Once upon a time, far far away Els <[Email Removed]> muttered I do remember your name, which means you've been around for a while here. You /have/ heard about the difference between crossposting and multi-posting, right? And about reading the past weeks of messages to see if anyone else asked your question yet? There's a thread, started an hour and 43 minutes ago, with "optimizing source code" in the subject. It may have some answers for you. Whoa! When did you get elected Miss Whiplash of the AWW Inquisition ? |
Didn't know an election was needed? ;-)
| QUOTE |
| Not that I'm complaining, Madam, I'd just like to see the photos.....<g |
What's with these people asking for photos all the time! Go buy a
camera! <g>
--
Els http://locusmeus.com/
Sonhos vem. Sonhos vo. O resto imperfeito.
- Renato Russo -
Els wrote:
| QUOTE |
| What's with these people asking for photos all the time! Go buy a camera! <g |
Said camera needs to be in close proximity to your good self (and probably
pointing in your general direction) to be effective. It's no use *me* buying
one, I'll just get a jpeg of a roo ;-)
Cheers
Richard
rf wrote:
| QUOTE |
| Els wrote: What's with these people asking for photos all the time! Go buy a camera! <g Said camera needs to be in close proximity to your good self (and probably pointing in your general direction) to be effective. It's no use *me* buying one, I'll just get a jpeg of a roo ;-) |
Nothing wrong with pictures of Australian fauna I think? :P
--
Els http://locusmeus.com/
Sonhos vem. Sonhos vo. O resto imperfeito.
- Renato Russo -
On Sun, 3 Jul 2005 12:12:43 GMT, "Steve Horrillo"
<[Email Removed]> wrote:
<[Email Removed]> wrote:
| QUOTE |
| I see your point. If it weren't for Goggle I would have to agree my methods are selfish. Yet like I said, with cross posting you have to be very careful which groups you mix. Either way draws complaints from the complainers. What song was it that said, "you can't please everyone, so you got to please yourself?" |
Let's put it this way:
Crosspost and knowledgeable people are willing to answer your
question.
Multi-post and many of the people who are most likely to be able to
help you will be so annoyed that they'll ignore your questions and put
you in their kill files. For this particular question, you may not
have lost anything, but for future questions you have now lost the
possibility of getting useful advice from some of the most helpful
members of this usenet group.
--
MGW
"Steve Horrillo" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:YuAxe.27774$[Email Removed]...
news:YuAxe.27774$[Email Removed]...
| QUOTE |
| Al the website's in my sig were designed with Front Page. When I use Front Pages error check it's showing me dozens of errors. I'm not blaming FP being that I did a lot of moving things around and changing fonts. But please take a look at the source for say, www.brokeragenttraing.com or www.over100percent.com. It amazes me it even works. The extra tags are just over the top! Is there any quick way to clean up this awful code? I remember Jimco had some utilities for that but will it work on a mess like I have? |
I answered your question in depth over at ... hmmm ... now where was that?
If it were coss-posted I wouldn't need to remember. Oh well ... happy
hunting.
On 03 Jul 2005 Els wrote in alt.www.webmaster
| QUOTE |
Nothing wrong with pictures of Australian fauna I think? :P |
Except for Richards roo.
--
Dennis
On 3-Jul-2005, "rf" <@invalid.com> wrote:
| QUOTE |
| A gentle hint: multiposting is wasting *our* collective time. Continue and we may not spend that time any more. You do want your next question answered don't you? |
No I don't. Not if it's conditional. Please killfile me or don't answer if
that's your attitude. Same goes for real life.
Warmest regards,
Steve Horrillo, Realtor / C.Ht.
http://BrokerAgentTraining.com (MLXchange & Computer Training for Real
Estate Professionals)
http://over100percent.com (Realtors Earn Over 100 Percent at EXIT Realty)
http:/HipFSBO.com (Object to Paying Commission? Find a FSBO Friendly Real
Estate Professional)
http://eLOWn.com ("Got a heartbeat?" Get a loan! Credit Repair Library)
On 3-Jul-2005, "rf" <@invalid.com> wrote:
| QUOTE |
| Now, exactly how did you manage to reply to all of the multiposted groups with a very long, and identical, message. Did you copy/paste it to each of the four groups or does "your" newsreader *answer* to multiple groups as well? |
Newsrover allows you to reply to the interest group you set up. It's
effortless. I can also choose how many groups to crosspost or mutipost to if
I choose. I just stay within the parameters my isp has set. If I multipost
or crosspost across a huge number of groups they could and should shut me
down. Anything beyond the isp's rules is just Usenet commando rants.
Warmest regards,
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Steve Horrillo wrote:
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| So what you're saying is that multi or singular posting gets you quality |
Sometimes crossposting or multiposting is appropriate. Excessive
crossposting or multiposting never is, and you need to make sure that the
post is appropriate for the groups you're posting to (according to their
charters).
| QUOTE |
| mutates into another topic or ego banter. I guess some people see Usenet groups as a warm fuzzy private discussion group rather than the original bulletin board it was designed to be. |
Usenet had rules back when it was essentially a glorified bulletin board
delivered via UUCP and Bitnet. Instead of insisting you know better than
anyone else, perhaps you should go review the AUPs of some major ISPs and
Usenet providers (yours too). Then perhaps you should drop the attitude,
because it's not winning you any brownie points here.
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On 3-Jul-2005, "rf" <@invalid.com> wrote:
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| exactly the same rubbish that I have just read in three other newsgroups in three other multiposted threads, Two of which I replied to before I realised that I was replying to exactly the same message. When you walk into a mosque do you take your shoes off or do you piss in the corner? |
Thank you! That's exactly my point. Some of you think a public bullitin
board is your own personal holy ground. IT'S NOT. Set up your own moderated
Internet forum and you can play God like the other snobs. Until then you
have no choice but to grin and bear it, skip over, killfile or delete. Or
get Newsrover.
Warmest regards,
Steve Horrillo, Realtor / C.Ht.
http://BrokerAgentTraining.com (MLXchange & Computer Training for Real
Estate Professionals)
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Estate Professional)
http://eLOWn.com ("Got a heartbeat?" Get a loan! Credit Repair Library)
Steve Horrillo wrote:
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| ... Anything beyond the isp's rules is just Usenet commando rants. |
Your ISP rules have nothing to do with basic, and common, Usenet
etiquette, and the nearly 100% of Usenet posters who do not use Newsrover.
Have you noticed that no one has taken up your position on the matter?
Aren't you beginning to feel this?
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Steve Horrillo wrote:
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| Thank you! That's exactly my point. Some of you think a public bullitin board is your own personal holy ground. IT'S NOT. |
No, but the people who are complaining are not saying anything that hasn't
been said by many people before. There are rules and guidelines, and there's
a reason for those rules and guidelines, as I mentioned before. More to the
point, if you crosspost, most newsreaders (except Mozilla Thunderbird, for
which a bug report is active but has not been dealt with yet) will only show
one copy of the message. Therefore, multiposting is generally frowned upon.
I'd like to know exactly what is the big problem with crossposting instead
of multiposting. I have to wonder why you are hellbent on being such a jerk.
Actually, I have to wonder why you're so dead set against crossposting as it
will get your message into the EXACT SAME newsgroups as posting separate
messages, it will get the message posted with less work on your part, and it
won't annoy people. I figure crossposting is a win-win situation for
everyone involved.
It'd be useful if BellSouth actually put their terms of service on their
website like clueful ISPs do, but I can't find a TOS or AUP on their site,
even using the search - the "Terms of Use" apply to using the bellsouth.com
website, not the Internet service itself. So I can't state for sure what
their policy is on this issue. (I hate phone companies. They're generally
useless. Alltel and SBC have crappy websites too...)
At any rate, being an asshole isn't going to get you anywhere. Do you act
like this with your clients? "No, we're not going to look at that house now,
we're going to go look at the house I want you to look at. You'll just have
to grin and bear it."
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Els wrote:
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| Steve Horrillo wrote: On 3-Jul-2005, Adrienne <[Email Removed]> wrote: The problem with multiposting is that you _do_ have to check serveral groups, and that wastes _your_ time. If you cross post, and set one follow-up to group, then you can get all the answers in several groups whilst only having to check back with one. Also, cross posting is better because others in those cross posted groups may have a similar problem, and will see the response(s). With multiposting, a post replied to in group X will not be seen by a lurker in group Y. Therefore, your answer will probably be quicker, and probably more accurate. So what you're saying is that multi or singular posting gets you quality reply's versus quantity? The way my reader Newsrover works is that you set up an interest group which will scan a reply in any groups you choose. Then you can set the filters to only download direct reply's to your subject, name, e-mail address etc. I've tried it the other way and it seems that the highest quality responses come as a direct answer to my post. After that it mutates into another topic or ego banter. I guess some people see Usenet groups as a warm fuzzy private discussion group rather than the original bulletin board it was designed to be. You have just posted this message, including Adrienne's comments, to 4 different newsgroups again. In only one of these newsgroups it's actually threaded correctly, obviously that's alt.html.critique, where she posted her reply to your post. It's /you/ who is using Usenet as their own private forum, it's /you/ who don't give a f#$% about other people on Usenet. |
I'm thinking this is as good a place as any for this link I found to a
shot of the Horrillos on vacation.
http://blinkynet.net/comp/lam03.jpg
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| So, if you don't want to change your ways after so many people requested it in all 4 groups, you're welcome to my killfile, in which very few people reside. I'm not a regular plonker, but for you I will have to make an exception. |
<following suit><hearing that plonking sound> Now, if others would
simply stop replying to him and spreading his me!-me!-me!-me! around....
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GreyWyvern wrote:
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| On Sun, 03 Jul 2005 08:23:56 -0400, Steve Horrillo <[Email Removed]> wrote: On 3-Jul-2005, GreyWyvern <[Email Removed]> wrote: Usenet is *not* about you giving and getting the knowledge you need in the least amount of time possible. It is a *collective* drive for enlightenment. If you post your message in 5 newsgroups and get a great answer in the fourth, your method of posting has deprived *anyone* in those other four groups of any benefit from your post or the answer which That's were our outlook differs. The Internet and Usenet is about efficient tranfer of INFORMATION. Not for making friends. You can find a Circle Jerk without the use of a computer. Apparently you don't read, either. I didn't mention anything about friends; I *too* was talking "about efficient transfer of INFORMATION". Also, is it truly necessary to sink to crudities? What is your problem? we definitely need less closure and more confusion on usenet. You need to get Newsrover and that will end your confusion. From what I can tell, Newsrover's quoting sucks. Not to mention the |
Given his attitude, it's probably a matter of "you can't make me to
things right! Nyah, nyah, nyah!"
But that said, the evaluation archive link shows that it's never even
been submitted to GNKSA.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~js/gnksa/
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Matt Probert wrote
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| Once upon a time, far far away Els <[Email Removed]> muttered I do remember your name, which means you've been around for a while here. You /have/ heard about the difference between crossposting and multi-posting, right? And about reading the past weeks of messages to see if anyone else asked your question yet? There's a thread, started an hour and 43 minutes ago, with "optimizing source code" in the subject. It may have some answers for you. Whoa! When did you get elected Miss Whiplash of the AWW Inquisition ? |
Steve Horrillo wrote
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| own moderated Internet forum and you can play God like the other snobs. |
Yes, I was getting "snobbery" too.
| QUOTE |
| Steve Horrillo, Realtor / C.Ht. http://BrokerAgentTraining.com (MLXchange & Computer Training for Real Estate Professionals) http://over100percent.com (Realtors Earn Over 100 Percent at EXIT Realty) http:/HipFSBO.com (Object to Paying Commission? Find a FSBO Friendly Real Estate Professional) http://eLOWn.com ("Got a heartbeat?" Get a loan! Credit Repair Library) |
Having said that, is that a sig or a billboard you're carrying there?
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Blinky the Shark wrote:
| QUOTE |
| Els wrote: Steve Horrillo wrote: On 3-Jul-2005, Adrienne <[Email Removed]> wrote: The problem with multiposting is that you _do_ have to check serveral groups, and that wastes _your_ time. If you cross post, and set one follow-up to group, then you can get all the answers in several groups whilst only having to check back with one. Also, cross posting is better because others in those cross posted groups may have a similar problem, and will see the response(s). With multiposting, a post replied to in group X will not be seen by a lurker in group Y. Therefore, your answer will probably be quicker, and probably more accurate. So what you're saying is that multi or singular posting gets you quality reply's versus quantity? The way my reader Newsrover works is that you set up an interest group which will scan a reply in any groups you choose. Then you can set the filters to only download direct reply's to your subject, name, e-mail address etc. I've tried it the other way and it seems that the highest quality responses come as a direct answer to my post. After that it mutates into another topic or ego banter. I guess some people see Usenet groups as a warm fuzzy private discussion group rather than the original bulletin board it was designed to be. You have just posted this message, including Adrienne's comments, to 4 different newsgroups again. In only one of these newsgroups it's actually threaded correctly, obviously that's alt.html.critique, where she posted her reply to your post. It's /you/ who is using Usenet as their own private forum, it's /you/ who don't give a f#$% about other people on Usenet. I'm thinking this is as good a place as any for this link I found to a shot of the Horrillos on vacation. http://blinkynet.net/comp/lam03.jpg So, if you don't want to change your ways after so many people requested it in all 4 groups, you're welcome to my killfile, in which very few people reside. I'm not a regular plonker, but for you I will have to make an exception. <following suit><hearing that plonking sound> Now, if others would simply stop replying to him and spreading his me!-me!-me!-me! around.... |
Well, he didn't see this post of yours (he filters to read only direct
replies, which yours isn't), so you can hijack the thread and make it
into something useful if you like :-)
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"Beauregard T. Shagnasty" <[Email Removed]> wrote:
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| Steve Horrillo wrote: Have you noticed that no one has taken up your position on the matter? Aren't you beginning to feel this? |
With an ego like that? What do you think...
Oh, and Steve, if you mess up Usenet too much not only your ISP takes
action. Maybe you should read up a bit more about Usenet, and how it works.
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Blinky the Shark <[Email Removed]> wrote:
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| http://blinkynet.net/comp/lam03.jpg |
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On 4-Jul-2005, John Bokma <[Email Removed]> wrote:
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| Get a SEO report of your site for just 100 USD: http://johnbokma.com/websitedesign/seo-expert-help.html |
My check is in the mail........
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Estate Professionals)
http://over100percent.com (Realtors Earn Over 100 Percent at EXIT Realty)
http:/HipFSBO.com (Object to Paying Commission? Find a FSBO Friendly Real
Estate Professional)
http://eLOWn.com ("Got a heartbeat?" Get a loan! Credit Repair Library)
Steve Horrillo wrote:
| QUOTE |
| I found out it's built into Front Page. It's easy as right clicking on the link. Good thing I did mutipost to a Front Page NG. Still, thanks for trying to help. |
And thank _you_ for bringing more FrontPage to _us_!
__
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irReal Escape Professionals.)
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Once upon a time, far far away "Steve Horrillo"
<[Email Removed]> muttered
<[Email Removed]> muttered
| QUOTE |
On 3-Jul-2005, "rf" <@invalid.com> wrote: A gentle hint: multiposting is wasting *our* collective time. Continue and we may not spend that time any more. You do want your next question answered don't you? No I don't. Not if it's conditional. Please killfile me or don't answer if that's your attitude. Same goes for real life. |
I bought a T-Shirt in Jamaica once, it reads:
"If you don't like my attitude, quit talking to me"
It's cool!
Matt
"Steve Horrillo" <[Email Removed]> wrote:
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On 4-Jul-2005, John Bokma <[Email Removed]> wrote: Get a SEO report of your site for just 100 USD: http://johnbokma.com/websitedesign/seo-expert-help.html My check is in the mail........ |
I am sure your sites can use some SEO :-D.
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On 4-Jul-2005, John Bokma <[Email Removed]> wrote:
| QUOTE |
| On 4-Jul-2005, John Bokma <[Email Removed]> wrote: Get a SEO report of your site for just 100 USD: http://johnbokma.com/websitedesign/seo-expert-help.html My check is in the mail........ I am sure your sites can use some SEO :-D. -- John Perl SEO tools: http://johnbokma.com/perl/ Experienced (web) developer: http://castleamber.com/ Get a SEO report of your site for just 100 USD: http://johnbokma.com/websitedesign/seo-expert-help.html |
I did a search on several engines for "seo report" and you're no where to be
found.
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"Steve Horrillo" <[Email Removed]> wrote:
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| I did a search on several engines for "seo report" and you're no where to be found. |
Try http://www.google.com/search?q=seo%20expert
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Once upon a time, far far away "Steve Horrillo"
<[Email Removed]> muttered
<[Email Removed]> muttered
| QUOTE |
On 4-Jul-2005, John Bokma <[Email Removed]> wrote: On 4-Jul-2005, John Bokma <[Email Removed]> wrote: Get a SEO report of your site for just 100 USD: http://johnbokma.com/websitedesign/seo-expert-help.html My check is in the mail........ I am sure your sites can use some SEO :-D. -- John Perl SEO tools: http://johnbokma.com/perl/ Experienced (web) developer: http://castleamber.com/ Get a SEO report of your site for just 100 USD: http://johnbokma.com/websitedesign/seo-expert-help.html I did a search on several engines for "seo report" and you're no where to be found. |
Whaaay! Pass the beers round, put the kettle on, pull up a comfy
chair. we got another cabaret show just started!
Matt
[Email Removed] (Matt Probert) wrote:
| QUOTE |
| Once upon a time, far far away "Steve Horrillo" <[Email Removed]> muttered |
[ ... ]
| QUOTE |
| I did a search on several engines for "seo report" and you're no where to be found. Whaaay! Pass the beers round, put the kettle on, pull up a comfy chair. we got another cabaret show just started! |
Hum hum: http://www.google.com/search?q=Steve%20Horrillo
#1 is funny :-D.
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On 4-Jul-2005, John Bokma <[Email Removed]> wrote:
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| "Steve Horrillo" <[Email Removed]> wrote: I did a search on several engines for "seo report" and you're no where to be found. Try http://www.google.com/search?q=seo%20expert -- John Perl SEO tools: http://johnbokma.com/perl/ Experienced (web) developer: http://castleamber.com/ Get a SEO report of your site for just 100 USD: http://johnbokma.com/websitedesign/seo-expert-help.html |
Yes but who is going to use that term to search for your services? Your sig
say's "Get a SEO report." That's what you are asking a $100 for. That's what
I searched for and didn't find you.
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Estate Professionals)
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http:/HipFSBO.com (Object to Paying Commission? Find a FSBO Friendly Real
Estate Professional)
http://eLOWn.com ("Got a heartbeat?" Get a loan! Credit Repair Library)
On 4-Jul-2005, [Email Removed] (Matt Probert) wrote:
| QUOTE |
| I did a search on several engines for "seo report" and you're no where to be found. Whaaay! Pass the beers round, put the kettle on, pull up a comfy chair. we got another cabaret show just started! |
You Brit's crack me up! :) I love wathing you broadcasts. We have BBC on
cable here in the "land of the once free."
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Estate Professionals)
http://over100percent.com (Realtors Earn Over 100 Percent at EXIT Realty)
http:/HipFSBO.com (Object to Paying Commission? Find a FSBO Friendly Real
Estate Professional)
http://eLOWn.com ("Got a heartbeat?" Get a loan! Credit Repair Library)
And lo, John Bokma didst speak in alt.www.webmaster:
| QUOTE |
| Hum hum: http://www.google.com/search?q=Steve%20Horrillo #1 is funny :-D. |
Nice find ;)
If it's all true, it confirms a lot of my suspicions. Steve Horillo: just
a big kid, who still thinks he needs to act tough to get respect.
Grey
Once upon a time, far far away GreyWyvern <[Email Removed]>
muttered
muttered
| QUOTE |
| And lo, John Bokma didst speak in alt.www.webmaster: Hum hum: http://www.google.com/search?q=Steve%20Horrillo #1 is funny :-D. Nice find ;) If it's all true |
IF let's remember, anyone can post unsubstantiated claims on Usenet,
they are not neccessarily true.
Perhaps Steve should like to answer the acusations
Matt
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