Greetings One and All
So you're a web designer, you build this really funky site for your new
client (much better than the old one) - a furniture store, you get paid
for your efforts and continue about your business right? no wait that's
not enough is it? you want a link back to your site gaddamit, hang on, why
stop there? let's have a link on every page - make it hidden, the
customer won't mind will they? It's not like they can see it or
anything. Hang on, why waste a link back to a web dev site? no one buys
web design from the web - why not make it a link back to your very own
online shop where you sell sweets/confectionary.
The above is based on a true story. I have not published the names
because ... well, just because, although the client has given permission
to do so.
I hope you were paying attention ...
You are that designer - are you pleased with your cunning ingenuity or do
you lie awake at night bothered by your own depicable, underhand behaviour?
You are now a (different) hungry web developer with a hunch the site
contract is just coming up for renewal - is this snippet part of your
sales pitch?
Switch hats - You are the customer: how do you feel when you find out (how
is immaterial)?
This part may or may not have been based on a true story. Now back to the
facts ....
The site was built with a back door for the admin - now closed (I hope).
The site has a file containing this notice ...
'This code is copyright © I****net B******* S******** SL, all rights
reserved.
'The contents of this file are protect under law as the intellectual
property
'of I****net B******* S******** SL. Any use, reproduction, disclosure or
copying
'of any kind without the express and written permission of I****net
B*******
'S******** SL is forbidden.
'Author: V**** R***, v****@v***ual***.net
Sadly, the client has no record of any agreement to use this script.
Of course, IANALNDIPOOTV
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William Tasso
Full Version: link back to base - the moral dilemma
"William Tasso" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
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| Greetings One and All So you're a web designer, you build this really funky site for your new client (much better than the old one) - a furniture store, you get paid for your efforts and continue about your business right? no wait that's not enough is it? you want a link back to your site gaddamit, hang on, why stop there? let's have a link on every page - make it hidden, the customer won't mind will they? It's not like they can see it or anything. Hang on, why waste a link back to a web dev site? no one buys web design from the web - why not make it a link back to your very own online shop where you sell sweets/confectionary. The above is based on a true story. I have not published the names because ... well, just because, although the client has given permission to do so. I hope you were paying attention ... You are that designer - are you pleased with your cunning ingenuity or do you lie awake at night bothered by your own depicable, underhand behaviour? You are now a (different) hungry web developer with a hunch the site contract is just coming up for renewal - is this snippet part of your sales pitch? Switch hats - You are the customer: how do you feel when you find out (how is immaterial)? |
It's wrong and the client has a right to be very upset about it.
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Red
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| Greetings One and All howdy Will |
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| So you're a web designer, |
ok, THAT IS JUST UNCANNY. HOW DID YOU KNOW THAT?????
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| you build this really funky site for your new client (much better than the old one) - a furniture store, you get paid for your efforts and continue about your business right? |
i get paid?
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| no wait that's not enough is it? |
yer damn right, i should get breakfast in bed as well! prizes! television
contracts!
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| you want a link back to your site |
yeah, that too. and a pony and a slingshot...
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| gaddamit, hang on, why stop there? |
now yer talkin' partner! a condo in Vegas!
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| let's have a link on every page - make it hidden, the customer won't mind will they? It's not like they can see it or anything. |
whoa! blind links piss off engines. no-no.
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| Hang on, why waste a link back to a web dev site? no one buys web design from the web - why not make it a link back to your very own online shop where you sell sweets/confectionary. |
assuming that people will cross-shop for furniture and confections? i
think you are confusing yourself. or me. my hypothetical life is just
crammed now. how am i supposed to run a confectionary from my condo in
Vegas with a breakfast tray in my lap and due for a TV interview in an
hour? and to web development? my dear William, you expect too much of me.
really.
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| The above is based on a true story. I have not published the names because ... well, just because, although the client has given permission to do so. |
oh whatever. you are worse than god.
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| I hope you were paying attention ... |
and regretting it.
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| You are that designer - are you pleased with your cunning ingenuity or do you lie awake at night bothered by your own depicable, underhand behaviour? |
OK THAT JUST WENT TOO FAR. THIS WHOLE THING WAS YOUR DAMN IDEA TO BEGIN
WITH. ME, DESPICABLE AND UNDERHANDED INDEED. I SLEEP FINE AT NIGHT PAL.
WE SHOOT PEOPLE LIKE YOU IN ARIZONA.
<SNIP>
but just to be on the safe side,
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LOL, that's right, trounce Wm, he gits uppity sometime.
Whoa - Arizona? Hey, do I know you? Zene Cmas party, 2003?
Cheers,
TL
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| Whoa - Arizona? Hey, do I know you? Zene Cmas party, 2003? |
yeah that was me. haven't seen bridget around in a while have we? now who,
and you must tell me, is this? small world to meet up on AWW.
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Greetings, William.
It was pretty easy to find the page ... <lol> doggies and kitties.
Your quoted copyright is right there in plain sight at the top of the
page. Supposed to be asp code ... Har!
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| "Tante Lina" <[Email Removed]> wrote in news:anfBe.4567$BK1.3627 @newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net: Whoa - Arizona? Hey, do I know you? Zene Cmas party, 2003? yeah that was me. |
Hi again.
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| haven't seen bridget around in a while have we? |
Well I didn't expect to, but I'm surprised you haven't! What was the name
of that band you both liked?
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| now who, and you must tell me, is this? small world to meet up on AWW. |
The former Zene webmistress.
TL
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| William Tasso wrote: Greetings One and All Greetings, William. It was pretty easy to find the page ... <lol> doggies and kitties. |
Nope, not doggies and kitties. Primary site is about furniture and the
target sells sweets/candy/confectionary
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| Your quoted copyright is right there in plain sight at the top of the page. Supposed to be asp code ... Har! |
There's a good few of those around (code displayed as text/markup) - makes
me wonder about the skills of some of our colleagues practicing in this
trade. As for the customers, one wonders why they have a site at all if
they care so little about what's on it.
Oh well - there's nowt so strange as folk.
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William Tasso
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| Writing in news:alt.www.webmaster From the safety of the Shagnasty Software cafeteria Beauregard T. Shagnasty <[Email Removed]> said: It was pretty easy to find the page ... <lol> doggies and kitties. Nope, not doggies and kitties. Primary site is about furniture and the target sells sweets/candy/confectionary |
Heh, google found a page by Vince that matches your quoted message to
a T.
"I****net B******* S******** SL"
"Author: V**** R***, v****@v***ual***.net "
Google for:
"The contents of this file are protect under law as the intellectual
property" with the quotes. It's the third listing.
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| ... Google for: "The contents of this file are protect under law as the intellectual property" with the quotes. It's the third listing. |
Oh yes - I found that one, but it's not the site I'm refering to.
This probably explains the problem on that site:
"Server: Apache/1.3.31 (Unix) mod_tsunami/2.0 FrontPage/5.0.2.2634
mod_ssl/2.8.19 OpenSSL/0.9.7a"
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William Tasso
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| "trevor" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message news:[Email Removed]... "Tante Lina" <[Email Removed]> wrote in news:anfBe.4567$BK1.3627 @newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net: Whoa - Arizona? Hey, do I know you? Zene Cmas party, 2003? yeah that was me. Hi again. haven't seen bridget around in a while have we? Well I didn't expect to, but I'm surprised you haven't! What was the name of that band you both liked? now who, and you must tell me, is this? small world to meet up on AWW. The former Zene webmistress. TL |
ah, you poor Zene refugees. they still owe me for a cover article i
wrote.
surprised I haven't seen B? i like my women sane, thanks.
the name of the premier heavy-metal band of northern arizona is TOLERANT.
not to say that TWELVE TON SLEDGE, SOUL CLOWN, FUME and CHEATERS don't
rock...although CHEATERS aren't metal are they? more of a classic-
punk/psychobilly thing.
regardless, what are you up to now? drop a line at
salesATdatasphericDOTcom.
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| "Tante Lina" <[Email Removed]> wrote in news:UgoBe.4838$[Email Removed]: "trevor" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message news:[Email Removed]... "Tante Lina" <[Email Removed]> wrote in news:anfBe.4567$BK1.3627 @newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net: Whoa - Arizona? Hey, do I know you? Zene Cmas party, 2003? yeah that was me. Hi again. haven't seen bridget around in a while have we? Well I didn't expect to, but I'm surprised you haven't! What was the name of that band you both liked? now who, and you must tell me, is this? small world to meet up on AWW. The former Zene webmistress. TL ah, you poor Zene refugees. they still owe me for a cover article i wrote. |
Ouch, sorry to hear that. For once I listened to the voices and cashed out
at the right time.
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| surprised I haven't seen B? i like my women sane, thanks. |
<eyes roll />
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| the name of the premier heavy-metal band of northern arizona is TOLERANT. not to say that TWELVE TON SLEDGE, SOUL CLOWN, FUME and CHEATERS don't rock...although CHEATERS aren't metal are they? more of a classic- punk/psychobilly thing. |
After five years away in Austin, don't know the NAZ music scene. Where do
they play, now that Live is closed? (It's our duty to insert a little local
conversation in the midst of all the Ozzy / Brit places - confections -
brews - politics - telly etc.)
BTW, "psychobilly"? Sounds like something that would necessitate stuffing
bar naps into my ears...
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| regardless, what are you up to now? drop a line at salesATdatasphericDOTcom. |
I will, thanks.
TL
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| "trevor" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message news:[Email Removed]... ... ah, you poor Zene refugees. they still owe me for a cover article i wrote. Ouch, sorry to hear that. For once I listened to the voices and cashed out at the right time. |
Those voices seem to have been working o/time.
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| Writing in news:alt.www.webmaster From the safety of the EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net cafeteria Tante Lina <[Email Removed]> said: "trevor" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message news:[Email Removed]... ... ah, you poor Zene refugees. they still owe me for a cover article i wrote. Ouch, sorry to hear that. For once I listened to the voices and cashed out at the right time. Those voices seem to have been working o/time. |
yeah, no bull. we should come up with an AWW blacklist of crappy clients
and business people. like a "we wouldn't sell you a bucket of water if
your head was on fire" list.
i should have given you a more serious answer to your former question
Tass, we have a standard attribution clause in our proposals which
forbids the client from removing our or any other party's attribution
links or attribution in comment. we encourage coders to list their own
attribution in comment which we fold into our dataSpheric comment-attribs
upon publishing. we stipulate that no attribution in visual presentation
adds to the final bill. after that, we let the client cover their own
ass. this is similar to the clauses in which we urge them to consult
their attorney and accountant for privacy policy and disclaimer on the
one hand and any tax-collection issues on the other. after that, whatever
they give us (or don't) for same is their worry.
we don't consider any 'back door' installed without client approval to be
even remotely ethical.
rule of thumb: keep the ethics of our profession golden, unimpeachable
and uttely consistant. inform the client of all legal ramifications.
after that, our profession obliges us to silence. we are there to do our
job-of-scope, nothing else is our business unless serious and egregious
violation of the law is at stake (we once found very illegal and immoral
images stored on a drive and the technician on the job called the cops
without delay. we applaud and support our technician's action because it
clearly helped keep human beings from clear harm. the client in question
is now a convicted felon and we're very proud of our finite understanding
of where professional ethics stop and civic or human ethics begin.)
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