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reverend maxwell snort
In article <BC9DAABF.F2AC6%[Email Removed]>,
[Email Removed] says...

oh, now you *are a troll

QUOTE
in article [Email Removed], Jeremy Nixon - Supernews at
[Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 1:09 PM:
Combaticus  <[Email Removed]> wrote:
I know for a fact that "Mike" of "ArtistMike.com" sent you an email
informing you that you could post your evidence in the newsgroup.  He sent
that email from his domain.  It was a real email from "Mike" of
ArtistMike.com.  You have yet to post your evidence in the newsgroup.  You
have yet to send that evidence to "Mike" of ArtistMike.com.
Yes, I still would not have posted anything, but I might have emailed it to
you as a reply so that you could post it.
Blah Blah Blah

in other words, you refuse to respect the rights of others to privacy.
this is obvious in other posts, but nice that you say it outright.

QUOTE
But, by then, you demonstrated
beyond any doubt that it was worthless to bother continuing any sort of
discussion with you; you even stated in no uncertain terms that you were
just trolling and that we were all just here "for your amusement".
What I choose to do for my amusement is not up to YOU now.  You blocked
"ArtistMike" on the basis of FAKED messages.  You screwed up.  Now you are
too pig headed to admit it ... so you reap the rewards of your
pigheadedness.

Supernews may probably deny service to anyone they see fit. free speech
is a right, but abuse of the infrastructure of a forum may be seen as an
attempt to deny free speech to others. since none of us has more rights
than any other, noone has the right to do this, no matter their status
of "paying customer" or not. bluntly, we must obey the rules of
exercising our right to free speech, or others will want to and will
have the rights of the perceived abusers amended. now, amuse me with
your answer.

QUOTE
You (SUPERNEWS) blocked a paying customer based upon FAKED MESSAGES.

I'm coming in a little late; can you post proof, please?

QUOTE
Now run along and keep your nose out of things that don't concern you.

if he is supernews, ad this happened over his server, he is involved.

QUOTE
So I didn't even bother pursuing the matter.  I don't know the specifics
of the case, and at this point, I don't care.

I don't care either.  Run along little boy.

oh, but I *do care. please, post specifics

QUOTE
Too bad that is all that is left to "ArtistMike" since you have no intention
of allowing him to post through your service.
I have no intention of bothering to try to help you, that's for sure.
That was your attitude way back when.  You are just now seeing the results
of your attitude coming back at you.

he probably won't see anything he doesn't want to.

QUOTE
Hope you enjoy it.  Supernews did not take the time to check and see who was
really posting those messages.  You took the easy way out and blocked a
paying customer based upon fake messages.

can someone, anyone *please post these fake messages, as well as a few
legitimate ones? I'd like to compare them for myself.

QUOTE
You screwed up, and now you want "ArtistMIke" to kiss your ass to get back
on your service.  Tough shit.

you're not very organized, you know that?

QUOTE
If you
want someone to whine to, ask your ISP to contact our abuse department on
your behalf.
That was already done and they were told that YOU did not block the posting
ability of "ArtistMike".
You attempted to pass the buck and now you are getting a free bucks worth of
crap.  Hope Supernews enjoys these messages being archived FOREVER.

another layer. interesting.

QUOTE
Our abuse manager doesn't read this group much, so he might be
more inclined to listen, having not seen this thread.
I don't give a crap.

then go the fuck away

QUOTE
Blah Blah Blah
Blah Blah Blah

yep; you're definitely a troll.

Aratzio
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 15:00:19 -0700, Aratzio <[Email Removed]> got
double secret probation because:

QUOTE
in article [Email Removed], reverend maxwell
snort at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 2:29 PM:


...nice!  this is going to be fun <g


Even "Mike" can play with you, you goofball.



see the aratzlo in the email. He know better than to actually forge
me. But I can always tell when they are getting rattled, the frogeries
come out.

WHEEEEEEEE froggie went a courting.

Another way to tell the difference. I am funny, AristMike is boring
and can only type one sentence before he gets tired and requires a
nap.


--

Beer soup! A few brain cells registered their doubt,
but the rest of them grabbed them by the collar and
said hoarsely, people cooked chicken in wine, didn't they?

Terry Pratchett - The Last Continent

Aratzio
in article 40786e63$0$67813$[Email Removed], Willem at
gaatjenietaan@notvalid@ac wrote on 04/10/2004 3:00 PM:

QUOTE
Andrew - Supernews <[Email Removed]> wrote
news:[Email Removed]
On 2004-04-10, Willem <gaatjenietaan@notvalid> wrote:

Noone's ever seen Mike use words like f-ck:
From: "Mike" <[Email Removed]
Newsgroups: alt.current-events.net-abuse.spam
Subject: I will spam who the fuck I want!
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 06:08:27 -0600
Message-ID: <[Email Removed]
Fuck all of you I will spam any new group or email I
wish and there is nothing you can do about it.

Looks like Supernews makes errors from badly configured
filters or logs a lot. Result: falsely accused and banned
paying customers.

I admit that, not being the abuse person here, I have no
idea why the user in question was blocked in the first
place. But it wasn't anything to do with the above post,
which is dated some months after the original block.

How can you say that when Jeremy says it does:

////////////////////////////////////////////////
in article [Email Removed],
Jeremy Nixon - Supernews at [Email Removed]
wrote on 03/29/2004 11:44 AM:

These were posted via our servers, and I've verified
that they were not forgeries. I'll not comment on them,
I think they speak for themselves.

From: "Mike" <[Email Removed]
Newsgroups: alt.current-events.net-abuse.spam
Subject: I will spam who the fuck I want!
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 06:08:27 -0600
Message-ID: <[Email Removed]
Fuck all of you I will spam any new group or email I wish
and there is
nothing you can do about it.
Mike
* Logo Design *
Put some fun in your next logo!
Site at:  http://www dot artistmike dot com
mike @ artistmike dot com

From: "Mike" <[Email Removed]
Newsgroups: alt.stop.spamming
Subject: Re: Spambutcher
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 05:39:55 -0600
Message-ID: <[Email Removed]
Yes I can use this newsgroups as a write-only medium.
Fuck off mud puppy.
////////////////////////////////////////////////

Jeremy from Supernews says he has VERIFIED these posts are
not forged and that they speak for themselves. So he means
Supernews has proof they were posted by Mike. He means they
are related to the reason for blocking. But you from
Supernews say something different. What is going on at
Supernews Abuse, Andrew??

WJ


They are liars at Supernews. They lie to cover their tracks. They censor
and they use forged messages to try and justify their actions. The service
sucks and they know it.

Aratzio
in article [Email Removed], Aratzio at
[Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 2:57 PM:

QUOTE
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 14:25:55 -0700, BLUEMIST <[Email Removed]> got
double secret probation because:

Don't use it, if you do, you will be sorry.

They censor people on a whim, and use fake messages to back up their
censoring.

I know.


And they filter spammers like ArtistMike, who is nymshifting to avoid
kill filters and google archives and posing now as BLUEMIST


Supernews likes crybabies and tattle tales like you, don't they.

hahahaha.

Kiss their ass some more and maybe they will give you a free account.

hahahaha.

Aratzio
in article [Email Removed], Aratzio at
[Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 2:59 PM:


QUOTE
All sourgrapes from ArtistMike who is filtered by Supernews for
Spamming people.

No evidence that he spammed anyone, liar.

":^)

Robert Buchanan
Our guest tonight on alt.usenet.kooks is very special...let's all give
Aratzio a big hand!

QUOTE
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 16:56:17 -0000, John Henry
<[Email Removed]> got double
secret probation because:

Hi, Aratzio!  This is a friendly line to let people know who I'm
talking to!


This game is a different game from the "ArtistMike" game.  You are a
side game.  You are a "Net Toy", that is willing to play for a
while.  That's all.

":^)


YOu have got to be a Uni sock.  Nobody else is this ignorant.

Well what we have is
Me setting follow-up and a nitwit named Artistmike frogging me.

What is hilarious is that artistmike (a spammer, google him for a
laugh) is the Unitards one and only friend. What is even funnier is
they are like twins separated at birth. They use all the same lames,
the post edits are killer. Then there is fun and games with frogs.
That above is his one and only comeback. The 3rd person stuff is down
right nutzo.

The big drawback is that, like the 'Tard, he is a one trick pony.

The upside is that is all because ArtistMike is blocked from Supernews
for being a spammer. So he has taken to acting like a spoiled 10 year
old stomping his feet. All archived into google for potential clients
of www.artistmike.com. I think he is taking lesson in marketing from
Wollman. So I am helping him in his marketing by making sure all of
this gets into google. Lots of follow-ups and cross posts.

What a pair of idiots!

--
Robert Buchanan (sock of Cujo and PJR)
http://www.robertbuchanan.us/

Scott A. Gilbert FAQ
http://www.robertbuchanan.us/SAG-FAQ.html

Quotations From Scott A. Gilbert
<[email protected]>

Quotations From Robert Wolfe
<[email protected]>

Jeremy Nixon - Supernews
Combaticus <[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE
You (SUPERNEWS) blocked a paying customer based upon FAKED MESSAGES.

Even if the messages I posted were indeed faked, which I notice you didn't
claim until your little thread here started to die down, those messages
were quite clearly not why you were blocked.

QUOTE
I don't care either.

Obviously, you do.

QUOTE
I have no intention of bothering to try to help you, that's for sure.

That was your attitude way back when.  You are just now seeing the results
of your attitude coming back at you.

Actually, before you showed your true colors, I was inclined to suggest that
the block be removed.

(Incidentally, what you are doing in this group would be a TOSable offense
at Supernews.)

QUOTE
You attempted to pass the buck and now you are getting a free bucks worth of
crap.  Hope Supernews enjoys these messages being archived FOREVER.

Yes, we do, thank you. It's always amusing to see examples of people who
think that they can change the world with incoherent rants demonstrating
a lack of communication skills as well as social skills.

QUOTE
I don't give a crap.

Then why are you still here?

--
Jeremy | [Email Removed]

Aratzio
in article [Email Removed], Aratzio at
[Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 2:59 PM:

QUOTE
He has to resort to nym
shifts ...


Poor baby. Cry some more... your pain is my joy.

":^)


hahahahaha.

reverend maxwell snort
In article <BC9DBC4C.F2D00%[Email Removed]>, [Email Removed]
says...
QUOTE
in article [Email Removed], reverend maxwell
snort at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 2:35 PM:

In article <[Email Removed]>,
[Email Removed] says...
Mike

* Logo Design *
Put some fun in your next logo!

Site at:  http://www.artistmike.com

I've seen the site.  it's not that impressive.


You are not very bright are you.

no. no I'm not. keep thinking that.

reverend maxwell snort
In article <BC9DBA38.F2B9B%[Email Removed]>, [Email Removed]
says...
QUOTE
in article [Email Removed], reverend maxwell
snort at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 2:35 PM:

In article <[Email Removed]>,
[Email Removed] says...
Mike

* Logo Design *
Put some fun in your next logo!

Site at:  http://www.artistmike.com

I've seen the site.  it's not that impressive.  so, why did you spam?
did you even think about where you are?

Fake Mike posted that.

cool; thank you. it is so hard to just jump into the middle of
something without help. tell me, if you can; what is the real aratzio's
message ID?

Aratzio
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:22:15 GMT, reverend maxwell snort
<[Email Removed]> got double secret probation because:

QUOTE
In article <BC9DBC4C.F2D00%[Email Removed]>, [Email Removed]
says...
in article [Email Removed], reverend maxwell
snort at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 2:35 PM:

In article <[Email Removed]>,
[Email Removed] says...
Mike

* Logo Design *
Put some fun in your next logo!

Site at:  http://www.artistmike.com

I've seen the site.  it's not that impressive.


You are not very bright are you.

no.  no I'm not.  keep thinking that.

No, that was not me, just Mikey frogging me to get to you. Ignore him
he is no troll he is just a chew toy. Trolls usually have a sense of
humor and are fun. ArtistMike is just a whiney little kid who got his
hand caught in the cookie jar and is now lashing out.

BTW filter on emails to separate ArtistMike's pathetic frogeries from
the real posts.

Me:
[Email Removed] <- The real deal

Frog Mikey:
[Email Removed] <- The froggy deal

Mikey is also:
Combaticus
AlwaysCorrect
BLUEMIST
Mike...
Carol J

and many more. It appears he is having a bit of a breakdown in the
fastlane here.

Watch him do a lame post edit in reply. He is so k00ky.

'Ratz

--

Beer soup! A few brain cells registered their doubt,
but the rest of them grabbed them by the collar and
said hoarsely, people cooked chicken in wine, didn't they?

Terry Pratchett - The Last Continent

reverend maxwell snort
In article <BC9DBC83.F2D01%[Email Removed]>, [Email Removed]
says...
QUOTE
in article [Email Removed], reverend maxwell
snort at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 2:29 PM:


...nice!  this is going to be fun <g


Even "Mike" can play with you, you goofball.

play. yes, play; that is what I have in mind. I have to meet all the
players first, though. don't be rude; I'm doing this without lurking
first.

Combaticus
in article [Email Removed], Jeremy Nixon - Supernews at
[Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 3:15 PM:

QUOTE
Combaticus  <[Email Removed]> wrote:

You (SUPERNEWS) blocked a paying customer based upon FAKED MESSAGES.

Even if the messages I posted were indeed faked...

They were faked and you know it. So move on crybaby.




QUOTE

I have no intention of bothering to try to help you, that's for sure.

That was your attitude way back when.  You are just now seeing the results
of your attitude coming back at you.

Actually, before you showed your true colors, I was inclined to suggest that
the block be removed.

The "color" you see now is the result of YOU blocking someone based upon
faked messages and you screwed up. This is the color of indignation for
having a wrong done for no reason other than you were too lazy to do your
job correctly.




QUOTE
(Incidentally, what you are doing in this group would be a TOSable offense
at Supernews.)

Your opinion is irrelevant at this point. Supernews is out of the loop.






QUOTE

You attempted to pass the buck and now you are getting a free bucks worth of
crap.  Hope Supernews enjoys these messages being archived FOREVER.

Yes, we do, thank you.  It's always amusing to see examples of people who
think that they can change the world with incoherent rants demonstrating
a lack of communication skills as well as social skills.

I have no desire to change Supernews. I just am enjoying YOU sharing your
attitude with everyone. How I come across is irrelevant. YOU and Supernews
is the topic at hand.

"ArtistMike" was blocked based upon you and your company's standards. Be
proud of what you have unleashed upon Usenet.




QUOTE
I don't give a crap.

Then why are you still here?

To make good and sure that YOU and your company's attitude (Supernews) are
made public.

So continue on.

":^)

Or if you are not proud of what you have done, then keep your attitude to
yourself.

It is all up to you.

":^)

reverend maxwell snort
In article <[Email Removed]>,
[Email Removed] says...
QUOTE
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 14:29:01 -0700, BLUEMIST <[Email Removed]> got
double secret probation because:

I have used them and they suck.  They will censor you if they don't like
your messages, or if you post too much.  They will even use fake messages as
justification for their blocking of your real messages.


All sourgrapes from ArtistMike who is filtered by Supernews for
Spamming people. Avoid spammers like him. He has to resort to nym
shifts to make it look like the Lurkers support him.

please just keep in mind that I'm no sock. of course, I don't support
anyone yet. give me a little while to sort through posts...

Combaticus
in article [Email Removed], reverend maxwell
snort at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 3:05 PM:


QUOTE
You (SUPERNEWS) blocked a paying customer based upon FAKED MESSAGES.

I'm coming in a little late; can you post proof, please?


Supernews employee posted them. Not me.






QUOTE

Now run along and keep your nose out of things that don't concern you.

if he is supernews, ad this happened over his server, he is involved.

Not now. He is just a Supernews flunky that is trying to cover his ass.

Aratzio
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:27:26 GMT, reverend maxwell snort
<[Email Removed]> got double secret probation because:

QUOTE
In article <BC9DBC83.F2D01%[Email Removed]>, [Email Removed]
says...
in article [Email Removed], reverend maxwell
snort at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 2:29 PM:


...nice!  this is going to be fun <g


Even "Mike" can play with you, you goofball.

play.  yes, play; that is what I have in mind.  I have to meet all the
players first, though.  don't be rude; I'm doing this without lurking
first.

Just check the email and the .sig. Pretty bad frogeries.

There is only one 'Ratz and he be me.

Pretty lame how he is going about getting ready to lose another NSP.
Nobody ever said spammers were smart. I see you are using MP Gravity
just bozo on the email and everything is cool.

froggy has an l inplace of the i.

To verify, just go back a few days and check the aratzio posts.

When done come on back and join the fun.

'Ratz

--

Beer soup! A few brain cells registered their doubt,
but the rest of them grabbed them by the collar and
said hoarsely, people cooked chicken in wine, didn't they?

Terry Pratchett - The Last Continent

Aratzio
in article [Email Removed], Aratzio at
[Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 3:09 PM:


QUOTE

Another way to tell the difference. Mike is funny, I'm boring
and can only type one sentence before I get tired and require a
nap.



You poor thing. Maybe you should take lessons. Now tell me again who is
who? You are the fake one, right?

Aratzio
in article [Email Removed], Aratzio at
[Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 2:57 PM:

QUOTE
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 14:25:55 -0700, BLUEMIST <[Email Removed]> got
double secret probation because:

Don't use it, if you do, you will be sorry.

They censor people on a whim, and use fake messages to back up their
censoring.

I know.


And they filter spammers like ArtistMike, who is nymshifting to avoid
kill filters and google archives and posing now as BLUEMIST



Kiss Supernews' ass again and they will give you an account.

hahahaha.

Mike Horwath
In alt.binaries.news-server-comparison Combaticus <[Email Removed]> wrote:
: "Mike" of ArtistMike.com paid for that ability.

Didn't the non-sock-puppet version state that he receives Supernews
via his ISP?

He didn't pay Supernews for access...if that is the case.

--
Mike Horwath/Dude
[Email Removed]

Aratzio
Two silly goofballs in charge over at Supernews screw up again. After
blocking the account of a paying customer they screw up their supposed
"evidence" for the blocking.







in article 40788247$0$67829$[Email Removed], Willem at
gaatjenietaan@notvalid@ac wrote on 04/10/2004 4:24 PM:

QUOTE
Andrew - Supernews <[Email Removed]> wrote
news:[Email Removed]
On 2004-04-10, Willem <gaatjenietaan@notvalid> wrote:

Noone's ever seen Mike use words like f-ck:
From: "Mike" <[Email Removed]
Newsgroups: alt.current-events.net-abuse.spam
Subject: I will spam who the fuck I want!
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 06:08:27 -0600
Message-ID: <[Email Removed]
Fuck all of you I will spam any new group or email I
wish and there is nothing you can do about it.

Looks like Supernews makes errors from badly configured
filters or logs a lot. Result: falsely accused and banned
paying customers.

I admit that, not being the abuse person here, I have no
idea why the user in question was blocked in the first
place. But it wasn't anything to do with the above post,
which is dated some months after the original block.

How can you say that when Jeremy says it does:

////////////////////////////////////////////////
in article [Email Removed],
Jeremy Nixon - Supernews at [Email Removed]
wrote on 03/29/2004 11:44 AM:

These were posted via our servers, and I've verified
that they were not forgeries. I'll not comment on them,
I think they speak for themselves.

From: "Mike" <[Email Removed]
Newsgroups: alt.current-events.net-abuse.spam
Subject: I will spam who the fuck I want!
Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 06:08:27 -0600
Message-ID: <[Email Removed]
Fuck all of you I will spam any new group or email I wish
and there is
nothing you can do about it.
Mike
* Logo Design *
Put some fun in your next logo!
Site at:  http://www dot artistmike dot com
mike @ artistmike dot com

From: "Mike" <[Email Removed]
Newsgroups: alt.stop.spamming
Subject: Re: Spambutcher
Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2004 05:39:55 -0600
Message-ID: <[Email Removed]
Yes I can use this newsgroups as a write-only medium.
Fuck off mud puppy.
////////////////////////////////////////////////

Jeremy from Supernews says he has VERIFIED these posts are
not forged and that they speak for themselves. So he means
Supernews has proof they were posted by Mike. He means they
are related to the reason for blocking. But you from
Supernews say something different. What is going on at
Supernews Abuse, Andrew??

Jeremy Nixon - Supernews <[Email Removed]> wrote
Willem <gaatjenietaan@notvalid@ac> wrote:

He means they are related to the reason for blocking.

I mean no such thing, nor did I ever say any such thing.

Those posts merely illustrate the point.

Which point? Please answer, I want to know why you posted
these examples and added that they aren't forged and speak
for themselves. If they are not related to the block, what
DO they prove as you say? Why did you bring them up in this
discussion?

WJ
--
http://www.demon.nl/eng/support/newsgroups/index.html





On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:25:26 GMT, reverend maxwell snort
<[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE
In article <BC9DBA38.F2B9B%[Email Removed]>, [Email Removed]
says...
in article [Email Removed], reverend maxwell
snort at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 2:35 PM:

In article <[Email Removed]>,
[Email Removed] says...
Mike

* Logo Design *
Put some fun in your next logo!

Site at:  http://www.artistmike.com

I've seen the site.  it's not that impressive.  so, why did you spam?
did you even think about where you are?

Fake Mike posted that.

cool; thank you.  it is so hard to just jump into the middle of
something without help.  tell me, if you can; what is the real aratzio's
message ID?

He posts from Usenetserver.com
The fake posts from astraweb.com

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:31:07 GMT, reverend maxwell snort
<[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE
In article <[Email Removed]>,
[Email Removed] says...
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 14:29:01 -0700, BLUEMIST <[Email Removed]> got
double secret probation because:

I have used them and they suck.  They will censor you if they don't like
your messages, or if you post too much.  They will even use fake messages as
justification for their blocking of your real messages.


All sourgrapes from ArtistMike who is filtered by Supernews for
Spamming people. Avoid spammers like him. He has to resort to nym
shifts to make it look like the Lurkers support him.

please just keep in mind that I'm no sock.  of course, I don't support
anyone yet.  give me a little while to sort through posts...

I am a regular here and all of these froggeries are making me dizzy. I
need a beer. Back in a few. };->

J.P.

AlwaysCorrect
in article [Email Removed], [Email Removed] at [Email Removed]
wrote on 04/10/2004 6:07 PM:

QUOTE
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:25:26 GMT, reverend maxwell snort
<[Email Removed]> wrote:

In article <BC9DBA38.F2B9B%[Email Removed]>, [Email Removed]
says...
in article [Email Removed], reverend maxwell
snort at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 2:35 PM:

In article <[Email Removed]>,
[Email Removed] says...
Mike

* Logo Design *
Put some fun in your next logo!

Site at:  http://www.artistmike.com

I've seen the site.  it's not that impressive.  so, why did you spam?
did you even think about where you are?

Fake Mike posted that.

cool; thank you.  it is so hard to just jump into the middle of
something without help.  tell me, if you can; what is the real aratzio's
message ID?

He posts from Usenetserver.com
The fake posts from astraweb.com


The crybaby posts from readfreenews.net.

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:23:44 -0700, AlwaysCorrect
<[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE
He posts from Usenetserver.com
The fake posts from astraweb.com


The crybaby posts from readfreenews.net.

Yep cause I ain't no frog.  };-


J.P.

AlwaysCorrect
in article [Email Removed], Andrew -
Supernews at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 6:49 PM:

QUOTE
simply being a paying customer confers
some sort of right to use our service for promotional purposes - which is
absolutely not the case.)

--
Andrew, Supernews
http://www.supernews.com - individual and corporate NNTP services



Notice that Supernews can promote their services all over Usenet, but people
using their service can not.

Real nice "separate but UNequal" standards.

"Don't do what we do, just do what you are told."

"We are allowed to spam our services all over Usenet, but YOU are not".

hahahahahaha.

Mike...
in article [Email Removed], Andrew -
Supernews at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 6:49 PM:


QUOTE
(As an example of such justification, see the assertion that's been made
several times in this thread that simply being a paying customer confers
some sort of right to use our service for promotional purposes - which is
absolutely not the case.)


Tough... what you think is bestowed upon a paying customer is irrelevant ...
you are out of the loop now.

Your opinions are irrelevant.



--
Mike

* Logo Design *
Put some fun in your next logo!

Site at: http://www.artistmike.com

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:23:44 -0700, AlwaysCorrect
<[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE
The crybaby posts from readfreenews.net.

Want to bet you can't post from readfreenews.  };-


J.P.

Mike...
in article [Email Removed], Andrew -
Supernews at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 6:49 PM:

QUOTE
Note: paying
customers (that is: individual subscribers or corporate account
holders themselves as opposed to their end-users) can contact
abuse directly, but end-users of ISP outsource customers are
expected to have their ISP contact us on their behalf.


That has already been done and you communicated that you did not know about
any such filtering or blocking on "ArtistMike.com" or or "Mike" of
"ArtistMike.com.

So obviously you lied.

--
Mike

* Logo Design *
Put some fun in your next logo!

Site at: http://www.artistmike.com

Mike...
in article [Email Removed], Andrew -
Supernews at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 6:49 PM:


QUOTE
What is going on is very simple: we won't violate our privacy
policies simply to "win" a debate in public.


So you think you will "win"?

hahahahaha.


--
Mike

* Logo Design *
Put some fun in your next logo!

Site at: http://www.artistmike.com

Mike...
in article [Email Removed], Andrew -
Supernews at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 6:49 PM:


QUOTE

Neither individual subscribers nor outsource end-users ever get their
posting privileges revoked lightly.

BS. You blocked based upon fake messages because you personally did not
like ... and still don't like ... my attitude.

You went out of your way to find any reason to block my posting ability.
Even though that service is paid for.

--
Mike

* Logo Design *
Put some fun in your next logo!

Site at: http://www.artistmike.com

Mike...
Oh, by the way... I like all this discussion in public, and I like how it is
being archived in google. Keep it up, Supernews.

hahahaha.





in article [Email Removed], Andrew -
Supernews at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 6:49 PM:

QUOTE
On 2004-04-10, Willem <gaatjenietaan@notvalid> wrote:
Andrew - Supernews <[Email Removed]> wrote
news:[Email Removed]
I admit that, not being the abuse person here, I have no
idea why the user in question was blocked in the first
place. But it wasn't anything to do with the above post,
which is dated some months after the original block.

How can you say that when Jeremy says it does:

Because Jeremy didn't say that.

Jeremy from Supernews says he has VERIFIED these posts are
not forged and that they speak for themselves. So he means
Supernews has proof they were posted by Mike.

He means nothing of the sort (perhaps he should have made this
point clearer). We _WILL NOT COMMENT_ on the issue of which of
our users made any specific post, or whether two or more posts
were made by the same user, because that would be a violation
of privacy. Naturally, this means that public discussion of
abuse issues is rarely productive (as this thread demonstrates).

He means they are related to the reason for blocking.

No, that's simply your interpretation of what he meant.

But you from Supernews say something different. What is going
on at Supernews Abuse, Andrew??

What is going on is very simple: we won't violate our privacy
policies simply to "win" a debate in public. If the "Artist Mike"
poster wants his block on posting to be reviewed, then he can
simply get his ISP to contact our abuse staff. Note: paying
customers (that is: individual subscribers or corporate account
holders themselves as opposed to their end-users) can contact
abuse directly, but end-users of ISP outsource customers are
expected to have their ISP contact us on their behalf.

Neither individual subscribers nor outsource end-users ever get their
posting privileges revoked lightly. But it should be obvious that the
vast majority of people who _do_ get blocked will claim that they were
in fact blocked falsely: either because they were genuinely innocent,
or because they are intentionally spamming and therefore lying about it,
or they are guilty of some form of abuse other than simple spamming and
believem for whatever reason, that their conduct was justified.

(As an example of such justification, see the assertion that's been made
several times in this thread that simply being a paying customer confers
some sort of right to use our service for promotional purposes - which is
absolutely not the case.)


Aratzio
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:07:55 -0700, [Email Removed] wrote:

QUOTE
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:25:26 GMT, reverend maxwell snort
<[Email Removed]> wrote:

In article <BC9DBA38.F2B9B%[Email Removed]>, [Email Removed]
says...
in article [Email Removed], reverend maxwell
snort at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 2:35 PM:

In article <[Email Removed]>,
[Email Removed] says...
Mike

* Logo Design *
Put some fun in your next logo!

Site at:  http://www.artistmike.com

I've seen the site.  it's not that impressive.  so, why did you spam?
did you even think about where you are?

Fake Mike posted that.

cool; thank you.  it is so hard to just jump into the middle of
something without help.  tell me, if you can; what is the real aratzio's
message ID?

He posts from Usenetserver.com
The fake posts from astraweb.com

Actually Buzzardnews

reverend maxwell snort
In article <[Email Removed]>, [Email Removed] says...
QUOTE
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:31:07 GMT, reverend maxwell snort
<[Email Removed]> wrote:

In article <[Email Removed]>,
[Email Removed] says...
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 14:29:01 -0700, BLUEMIST <[Email Removed]> got
double secret probation because:

I have used them and they suck.  They will censor you if they don't like
your messages, or if you post too much.  They will even use fake messages as
justification for their blocking of your real messages.


All sourgrapes from ArtistMike who is filtered by Supernews for
Spamming people. Avoid spammers like him. He has to resort to nym
shifts to make it look like the Lurkers support him.

please just keep in mind that I'm no sock.  of course, I don't support
anyone yet.  give me a little while to sort through posts...

I am a regular here and all of these froggeries are making me dizzy. I
need a beer. Back in a few.  };-

J.P.

grab me a few...

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 19:29:01 -0700, Aratzio <[Email Removed]>
wrote:

QUOTE
Actually Buzzardnews

Why for how come it don't show up in your path? :(

J.P.

reverend maxwell snort
In article <BC9DC45C.F2D20%[Email Removed]>,
[Email Removed] says...
QUOTE
in article [Email Removed], reverend maxwell
snort at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 3:05 PM:
You (SUPERNEWS) blocked a paying customer based upon FAKED MESSAGES.
I'm coming in a little late; can you post proof, please?
Supernews employee posted them.  Not me.

I don't give a rat's ass who posted them, where are the headers, and
legit headers for comparison.

QUOTE
Now run along and keep your nose out of things that don't concern you.
if he is supernews, ad this happened over his server, he is involved.
Not now.  He is just a Supernews flunky that is trying to cover his ass.

cover his ass from what exposure? what did *he do? if he posted fakes,
he's involved. if he made a decision, he's involved. if he's answering
a complaint, he's involved.

On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 02:29:34 GMT, reverend maxwell snort
<[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE
I am a regular here and all of these froggeries are making me dizzy. I
need a beer. Back in a few.  };-

J.P.

grab me a few...

Ahhh.......Muy Bueno! No more dizzy, now everything is just fuzzy. Uh
shit I forgot to put on my glasses. Ahhh......there much better. Where
were we now? };->

J.P.

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 19:16:56 -0700, "Mike..." <[Email Removed]>
wrote:

QUOTE
in article [Email Removed], Andrew -
Supernews at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 6:49 PM:


What is going on is very simple: we won't violate our privacy
policies simply to "win" a debate in public.


So you think you will "win"?

hahahahaha.

I know that based on what I have read the last day or so I would never
engage Mike for any artistic needs that I may have in my Printing
business. Mike, you really need to seek help. You are loosing it
badly.

J.P.

Mike...
in article [Email Removed], [Email Removed] at [Email Removed]
wrote on 04/10/2004 7:43 PM:


QUOTE
I know that based on what I have read the last day or so I would never
engage Mike for any artistic needs...


Is there some reason I should care what your opinion is of me? Little news
for you, I pick and choose my clients, and you don't measure up. You are
found wanting.

Move on.



--
Mike

* Logo Design *
Put some fun in your next logo!

Site at: http://www.artistmike.com

Combaticus
in article [Email Removed], reverend maxwell
snort at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 7:34 PM:


QUOTE
I don't give a rat's ass who posted them, where are the headers, and
legit headers for comparison.



Do your own work.

Aratzio
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 02:34:56 GMT, reverend maxwell snort
<[Email Removed]> got double secret probation because:

QUOTE
In article <BC9DC45C.F2D20%[Email Removed]>,
[Email Removed] says...
in article [Email Removed], reverend maxwell
snort at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 3:05 PM:
You (SUPERNEWS) blocked a paying customer based upon FAKED MESSAGES.
I'm coming in a little late; can you post proof, please?
Supernews employee posted them.  Not me.

I don't give a rat's ass who posted them, where are the headers, and
legit headers for comparison.

Now run along and keep your nose out of things that don't concern you.
if he is supernews, ad this happened over his server, he is involved.
Not now.  He is just a Supernews flunky that is trying to cover his ass.

cover his ass from what exposure?  what did *he do?  if he posted fakes,
he's involved.  if he made a decision, he's involved.  if he's answering
a complaint, he's involved.

Well, the real story it seems is Supernews FILTERS artistmike due to
the excessive number of posts he makes. Those posts are made simply to
post his COMMERCIAL (yet not very good) web address. They are spam by
the accepted definition. If he was actually posting something besides
"Here check my web site" type responses he would have been fine. But
he tried to use his ISPs Supernews service. He fails to understand
what was his mistake. So here we are with a 10 year old tossing a
tantrum. Thing is he has no leg. He NEVER had a supernews account. He
had an account with his ISP who purchases Supernews service. But Mikey
ain't the sharpest crayon in his graphics kit. So he blames Supernews
for his own stupidty and plays his childish little game.

'Ratz


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Aratzio
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 19:37:26 -0700, [Email Removed] got double secret
probation because:

QUOTE
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 02:29:34 GMT, reverend maxwell snort
<[Email Removed]> wrote:

I am a regular here and all of these froggeries are making me dizzy. I
need a beer. Back in a few.  };-

J.P.

grab me a few...

Ahhh.......Muy Bueno! No more dizzy, now everything is just fuzzy. Uh
shit I forgot to put on my glasses. Ahhh......there much better. Where
were we now?  };-

J.P.

mmmm 9 year old Knob Creek sippin' whiskey on the rocks.

'Ratz


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Accept No Substitute

reverend maxwell snort
In article <[Email Removed]>,
[Email Removed] says...
QUOTE
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:22:15 GMT, reverend maxwell snort
<[Email Removed]> got double secret probation because:

In article <BC9DBC4C.F2D00%[Email Removed]>, [Email Removed]
says...
in article [Email Removed], reverend maxwell
snort at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 2:35 PM:

In article <[Email Removed]>,
[Email Removed] says...
Mike

* Logo Design *
Put some fun in your next logo!

Site at:  http://www.artistmike.com

I've seen the site.  it's not that impressive.


You are not very bright are you.

no.  no I'm not.  keep thinking that.

No, that was not me, just Mikey frogging me to get to you. Ignore him
he is no troll he is just a chew toy. Trolls usually have a sense of
humor and are fun. ArtistMike is just a whiney little kid who got his
hand caught in the cookie jar and is now lashing out.

BTW filter on emails to separate ArtistMike's pathetic frogeries from
the real posts.

Me:
[Email Removed] <- The real deal

Frog Mikey:
[Email Removed] <- The froggy deal

Mikey is also:
Combaticus
AlwaysCorrect
BLUEMIST
Mike...
Carol J

and many more. It appears he is having a bit of a breakdown in the
fastlane here.

Watch him do a lame post edit in reply. He is so k00ky.

'Ratz

oh, I'm following most of the socks he's wearing already; check out his
message ID; you use forte agent, he's using xnews it looks like. thanks
for the score card, though; it does help.

fwiw, I have a few friends who are going to have a field day with the
..jpg's on his site.

reverend maxwell snort
In article <[Email Removed]>,
[Email Removed] says...
QUOTE
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:27:26 GMT, reverend maxwell snort
<[Email Removed]> got double secret probation because:

In article <BC9DBC83.F2D01%[Email Removed]>, [Email Removed]
says...
in article [Email Removed], reverend maxwell
snort at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 2:29 PM:


...nice!  this is going to be fun <g


Even "Mike" can play with you, you goofball.

play.  yes, play; that is what I have in mind.  I have to meet all the
players first, though.  don't be rude; I'm doing this without lurking
first.

Just check the email and the .sig. Pretty bad frogeries.

There is only one 'Ratz and he be me.

Pretty lame how he is going about getting ready to lose another NSP.
Nobody ever said spammers were smart. I see you are using MP Gravity
just bozo on the email and everything is cool.

froggy has an l inplace of the i.

To verify, just go back a few days and check the aratzio posts.

When done come on back and join the fun.

'Ratz

I did, earlier. there is a better way to tell you apart, but I don't
want to tell him how to make beter forgeries. I want to make him post.
I may talk reasonably with him, but don't misunderstand me.

Zimphire
In article <[Email Removed]>,
reverend maxwell snort <[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE
In article <BC9D913F.F2953%[Email Removed]>, [Email Removed]
says...
darn.  you guys mean your troll has been filtered by his NSP?  UDP'd?
that's a shame.  I had so looked forward to meeting him.

I am here, just watching.

cool; so you are the resident troll?

Yes, yes he is.

Aratzio
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 02:56:38 GMT, reverend maxwell snort
<[Email Removed]> got double secret probation because:

QUOTE
In article <[Email Removed]>,
[Email Removed] says...
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:22:15 GMT, reverend maxwell snort
<[Email Removed]> got double secret probation because:

In article <BC9DBC4C.F2D00%[Email Removed]>, [Email Removed]
says...
in article [Email Removed], reverend maxwell
snort at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 2:35 PM:

In article <[Email Removed]>,
[Email Removed] says...
Mike

* Logo Design *
Put some fun in your next logo!

Site at:  http://www.artistmike.com

I've seen the site.  it's not that impressive.


You are not very bright are you.

no.  no I'm not.  keep thinking that.

No, that was not me, just Mikey frogging me to get to you. Ignore him
he is no troll he is just a chew toy. Trolls usually have a sense of
humor and are fun. ArtistMike is just a whiney little kid who got his
hand caught in the cookie jar and is now lashing out.

BTW filter on emails to separate ArtistMike's pathetic frogeries from
the real posts.

Me:
[Email Removed] <- The real deal

Frog Mikey:
[Email Removed] <- The froggy deal

Mikey is also:
Combaticus
AlwaysCorrect
BLUEMIST
Mike...
Carol J

and many more. It appears he is having a bit of a breakdown in the
fastlane here.

Watch him do a lame post edit in reply. He is so k00ky.

'Ratz

oh, I'm following most of the socks he's wearing already; check out his
message ID; you use forte agent, he's using xnews it looks like.  thanks
for the score card, though; it does help.

fwiw, I have a few friends who are going to have a field day with the
.jpg's on his site.

Ain't it dah trooth. Love it when the newbies think they have a "PLAN"
to discredit someone like Supernews. What is absolutely incredibly
stoopud here is the people who use Supernews WANT supernews to filter
nitwits like ArtistMike. So he is pissing into a gale. I have a
feeling he will in the long run help Supernews business by proving how
well they filter and destroy what little reputation he had on the
Internet and Usenet. I in my own way am attempting to help Mike in his
self-destruction. Cross post everything to groups that google
archives. The really good ones go to alt.usenet.kooks. Frogging people
is such a cool tactic and he does it so poorly. I just wish he were
brighter, his one trick pony lames get so very dull.

'Ratz



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Zimphire
In article <BC9DC09E.F2D10%[Email Removed]>,
Aratzio <[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE
in article [Email Removed], Aratzio at
[Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 2:59 PM:

He has to resort to nym
shifts ...


Poor baby.  Cry some more... your pain is my joy.

Sadist.

reverend maxwell snort
In article <BC9DBF12.F2D0E%[Email Removed]>, [Email Removed]
says...
QUOTE
in article [Email Removed], Aratzio at
[Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 2:57 PM:

On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 14:25:55 -0700, BLUEMIST <[Email Removed]> got
double secret probation because:

Don't use it, if you do, you will be sorry.

They censor people on a whim, and use fake messages to back up their
censoring.

I know.


And they filter spammers like ArtistMike, who is nymshifting to avoid
kill filters and google archives and posing now as BLUEMIST


Supernews likes crybabies and tattle tales like you, don't they.

hahahaha.

Kiss their ass some more and maybe they will give you a free account.

hahahaha.

there there, now; we all know supernews is evil, and out to get you.
only you. and will reward others for humiliating you and revealing your
weaknesses to the rest of the world. so why don't you shut up and move
on you egocentric nutcase.

Zimphire
In article <BC9DF593.F2DBF%[Email Removed]>,
AlwaysCorrect <[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE
in article [Email Removed], Andrew -
Supernews at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 6:49 PM:

simply being a paying customer confers
some sort of right to use our service for promotional purposes - which is
absolutely not the case.)

--
Andrew, Supernews
http://www.supernews.com - individual and corporate NNTP services



Notice that Supernews can promote their services all over Usenet, but people
using their service can not.

Real nice "separate but UNequal" standards.

"Don't do what we do, just do what you are told."

"We are allowed to spam our services all over Usenet, but YOU are not".

hahahahahaha.

Er, they are the one that pays for the server. Of COURSE they are
allowed.

Don't be silly.

Zimphire
In article <BC9DF8A8.F2DC2%[Email Removed]>,
"Mike..." <[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE
in article [Email Removed], Andrew -
Supernews at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 6:49 PM:


What is going on is very simple: we won't violate our privacy
policies simply to "win" a debate in public.


So you think you will "win"?

hahahahaha.

Yeah mikee's right. No matter if you do win mikee will stick his head up
his ass and deny it.

LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU ALLALALALLALA

Aratzio
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 23:04:57 -0400, Zimphire <[Email Removed]> got double
secret probation because:

QUOTE
In article <[Email Removed]>,
reverend maxwell snort <[Email Removed]> wrote:

In article <BC9D913F.F2953%[Email Removed]>, [Email Removed]
says...
darn.  you guys mean your troll has been filtered by his NSP?  UDP'd?
that's a shame.  I had so looked forward to meeting him.

I am here, just watching.

cool; so you are the resident troll?

Yes, yes he is.

Damn, you guys need a MUCH better quality troll. This one is DULL!!!
Please tell me you have something anything more entertaining than
ArtistMike and his sidekick the Unitard?

'Ratz



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