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olivier Borgognon

Jul 7 2003, 05:45 PM

Hi,

if i could give you some piece of advice, try and convince your client to
invest in Dreamweaver MX,
1 simple thing that might convince him is that Dreamweaver has a feature :
Clean Word HTML, and as the Word HTML is the same as frontpage HTML you
might get the hint ;o)

good luck
Olivier

"Helaman" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
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QUOTE

I use Dreamweaver, but have a client who uses Front Page.

There is a big problem happening and not familiar enough with
front page to fix it.

Every time they open a page and change a few prices on their products
and up the page. FP inserts a blank line between every line of code.
The pages are going from a few hundred lines to over a thousand now,
beside making it hard to work on.

How can I fix there FP to stop it from happening and is there a way to
get rid of the extra lines at this point?

I know this may be the wrong place to ask, but I am not able to post
in the front page group for some reason and I need some help quickly

thanks

cpg

Jul 7 2003, 06:08 PM

And upon a little more investigation, this problem is only occuring
when shapes with different filled colors are selected. Selecting
shapes of the same color and pasting into Photoshop works fine. But
copying multiple shapes with multiple colors causes my whites to
disappear when pasting into PS.

? cpg

QUOTE

I have a logo that I made using a Adobe Myriad Multiple Master font
face. All letterforms were converted to shapes. It was made in CMYK
mode. When I try to open the EPS in Photoshop, areas that appeared
white in Illustrator do not show when it is pasted or opened in
Photoshop. I have to send this off to a print designer soon and would
like to head off any potential problems before I send it.

For now, I can get by with pasting as paths and then filling all the
paths with the right colors but that's a hassle, of course. Seems like
it should be cut-paste-done.

Has anyone else seen this kind of behavior? Any ideas would be
appreciated.

thanks, cpg

olivier Borgognon

Jul 7 2003, 06:30 PM

adding proprietary code, and bad intending for example, sorry to say it's
really a bad web dev tool,
you might not agree with me, and i won't try to convince you, but that's my
point of view, and on the ng,
i just gave my point of view ;o)

You can adapt up to a certain point... you're also the professional to prove
the client wrong when he actually is, that's also what he pays you for no ?

olivier ;o)

"Matti Vuori" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
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"olivier Borgognon" <[Email Removed]> wrote in
news:3f09bfdc$0$29642$[Email Removed]:
if i could give you some piece of advice, try and convince your client
to invest in Dreamweaver MX,

It would show very bad ethics to try to convince a client off a software
package that _they_ have no problem with. The designer works for and
adapts
to the client's needs and not the other way around. Doing any
such convincing because of a simple techical problem would be even
weirder.

1 simple thing that might convince him is that Dreamweaver has a
feature : Clean Word HTML, and as the Word HTML is the same as
frontpage HTML

No, it definitely isn't. FP can create very good HTML, if the user knows
what he/she is doing.

--
Matti Vuori, <http://sivut.koti.soon.fi/mvuori/index-e.htm

Matt M

Jul 7 2003, 07:04 PM

"Helaman" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
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QUOTE

I use Dreamweaver, but have a client who uses Front Page.

There is a big problem happening and not familiar enough with
front page to fix it.

I've never encountered that problem, but you might want to try asking at
microsoft.public.frontpage.client

They can usually solve any problem.

SpaceGirl

Jul 7 2003, 07:31 PM

Meh.... Word HTML is *nothing like* FrontPage HTML. Word adds lots of CSS
formatting tags to get the WYSIWYG with online documents. It generates
pretty nasty code, but if you want to get exactly what your document looks
like it's okay, and doesn't require a plug in like the only alternative
(Adobe Acrobat PDF). FrontPage XP and FrontPage 2003 both offer options for
using "standard" HTML (ie, fairly w3c compliant) rather than the weird MS
hybrid HTML that FrontPage prefers. However, both HTML types tend to display
okay.

miranda

"olivier Borgognon" <[Email Removed]> wrote in
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QUOTE

Hi,

if i could give you some piece of advice, try and convince your client to
invest in Dreamweaver MX,
1 simple thing that might convince him is that Dreamweaver has a feature :
Clean Word HTML, and as the Word HTML is the same as frontpage HTML you
might get the hint ;o)

good luck
Olivier

"Helaman" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:[Email Removed]...
I use Dreamweaver, but have a client who uses Front Page.

There is a big problem happening and not familiar enough with
front page to fix it.

Every time they open a page and change a few prices on their products
and up the page. FP inserts a blank line between every line of code.
The pages are going from a few hundred lines to over a thousand now,
beside making it hard to work on.

How can I fix there FP to stop it from happening and is there a way to
get rid of the extra lines at this point?

I know this may be the wrong place to ask, but I am not able to post
in the front page group for some reason and I need some help quickly

thanks

SpaceGirl

Jul 7 2003, 07:36 PM

Oliver, any experienced FrontPage user would be able to create a page that
would be indistinguishable from a DreamWeaver page, both in code and look.
It's just a lot easier to make things *wrong* in FrontPage. FrontPage is far
from a pro tool, that's for sure, but any web designer worth their salt
could produce good results inside any of the major products.

In the case of the original poster, he shouldn't let his uses anywhere near
*ANY* web dev product, as they are obviously lacking the skill. What he
needs to use is a content management system (such as Macromedia Contribute)
that forces documents into specific formats and templates.

"olivier Borgognon" <[Email Removed]> wrote in
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QUOTE

adding proprietary code, and bad intending for example, sorry to say it's
really a bad web dev tool,
you might not agree with me, and i won't try to convince you, but that's
my
point of view, and on the ng,
i just gave my point of view ;o)

You can adapt up to a certain point... you're also the professional to
prove
the client wrong when he actually is, that's also what he pays you for no
?

olivier ;o)

"Matti Vuori" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
"olivier Borgognon" <[Email Removed]> wrote in
news:3f09bfdc$0$29642$[Email Removed]:
if i could give you some piece of advice, try and convince your client
to invest in Dreamweaver MX,

It would show very bad ethics to try to convince a client off a software
package that _they_ have no problem with. The designer works for and
adapts
to the client's needs and not the other way around. Doing any
such convincing because of a simple techical problem would be even
weirder.

1 simple thing that might convince him is that Dreamweaver has a
feature : Clean Word HTML, and as the Word HTML is the same as
frontpage HTML

No, it definitely isn't. FP can create very good HTML, if the user knows
what he/she is doing.

--
Matti Vuori, <http://sivut.koti.soon.fi/mvuori/index-e.htm

LauraK

Jul 7 2003, 07:37 PM

QUOTE

And upon a little more investigation, this problem is only occuring
when shapes with different filled colors are selected. Selecting
shapes of the same color and pasting into Photoshop works fine. But
copying multiple shapes with multiple colors causes my whites to
disappear when pasting into PS.

Try using file>place to put the .ai file into a Photoshop file.
That's the prefered way of doing it.
If your "white" areas are actually transparent areas in Illustrator, EPS won't
support it.
Starting with AI9 there was a major change in the underlying programming for
Illustrator. It went from EPS to PDF since PDF supports transparency.
If you must use an EPS out of AI, backsave as AI8 compatible first and then
change to EPS. That way, AI will flatten the transparency before converting and
you can choose whether to preserve appearance or paths.

[Email Removed]
http://www.madmousergraphics.com
web design, print design, photography

olivier Borgognon

Jul 7 2003, 07:46 PM

QUOTE

In the case of the original poster, he shouldn't let his uses anywhere
near
*ANY* web dev product, as they are obviously lacking the skill. What he
needs to use is a content management system (such as Macromedia
Contribute)
that forces documents into specific formats and templates.

that's an excellent point ;o) Users are layout busters ;op lol

olivier

"SpaceGirl" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
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QUOTE

Oliver, any experienced FrontPage user would be able to create a page that
would be indistinguishable from a DreamWeaver page, both in code and look.
It's just a lot easier to make things *wrong* in FrontPage. FrontPage is
far
from a pro tool, that's for sure, but any web designer worth their salt
could produce good results inside any of the major products.

In the case of the original poster, he shouldn't let his uses anywhere
near
*ANY* web dev product, as they are obviously lacking the skill. What he
needs to use is a content management system (such as Macromedia
Contribute)
that forces documents into specific formats and templates.

"olivier Borgognon" <[Email Removed]> wrote in
message news:3f09ca3f$0$29657$[Email Removed]...
adding proprietary code, and bad intending for example, sorry to say
it's
really a bad web dev tool,
you might not agree with me, and i won't try to convince you, but that's
my
point of view, and on the ng,
i just gave my point of view ;o)

You can adapt up to a certain point... you're also the professional to
prove
the client wrong when he actually is, that's also what he pays you for
no
?

olivier ;o)

"Matti Vuori" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
"olivier Borgognon" <[Email Removed]> wrote
in
news:3f09bfdc$0$29642$[Email Removed]:
if i could give you some piece of advice, try and convince your
client
to invest in Dreamweaver MX,

It would show very bad ethics to try to convince a client off a
software
package that _they_ have no problem with. The designer works for and
adapts
to the client's needs and not the other way around. Doing any
such convincing because of a simple techical problem would be even
weirder.

1 simple thing that might convince him is that Dreamweaver has a
feature : Clean Word HTML, and as the Word HTML is the same as
frontpage HTML

No, it definitely isn't. FP can create very good HTML, if the user
knows
what he/she is doing.

--
Matti Vuori, <http://sivut.koti.soon.fi/mvuori/index-e.htm

bvuki

Jul 7 2003, 09:15 PM

On 07 Jul 2003 20:37:19 GMT, LauraK <[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE

And upon a little more investigation, this problem is only occuring
when shapes with different filled colors are selected. Selecting
shapes of the same color and pasting into Photoshop works fine. But
copying multiple shapes with multiple colors causes my whites to
disappear when pasting into PS.

Try using file>place to put the .ai file into a Photoshop file.
That's the prefered way of doing it. If your "white" areas are actually
transparent areas in Illustrator, EPS won't
support it.
Starting with AI9 there was a major change in the underlying programming
for
Illustrator. It went from EPS to PDF since PDF supports transparency. If
you must use an EPS out of AI, backsave as AI8 compatible first and then
change to EPS. That way, AI will flatten the transparency before
converting and
you can choose whether to preserve appearance or paths.

[Email Removed]
http://www.madmousergraphics.com
web design, print design, photography

Or you could just open an Illy file in PS. Works fine with I10 and PS7.
Also, you can export PSD files from Illy, which also works fine.

--
Branko

woodsie

Jul 7 2003, 11:44 PM

it's junk. get a real 3D program.

In article <[email protected]>, Farlo
<[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE

Is this Windows XP compatible?

I am thinking about getting back into 3D again, and this package looks
pretty sweet at the price. I could load up Raydream Studio again, but ...
what a pill it is to use RDS! Hopefully "Dimensions" is much easier to use.

Any other comments?

Farlo

Jul 8 2003, 01:00 AM

[Email Removed] (woodsie) wrote:

QUOTE

it's junk. get a real 3D program.

I have one ... Raydream Studio version 5 or 6.
It's a real pill, and somewhat flaky.

3DStudio is out of my price range.

Thanks for the comments.

--
Farlo
Urban Fey Dragon
"Imperial" States of America
(The Land of Confusion)

Baeowulf

Jul 8 2003, 03:19 AM

3d Studio Max is a piece of crap anyway.

Lightwave is the way to go. Very easy to use and powerful.

You could always use TrueSpace, that's fairly cheep...you can even get old
versions for free, iirc.

Blender is free, but it's interface is even worse than 3DS Max.

There's always Bryce if you don't need to do any complicated modeling.

"Farlo" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
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[Email Removed] (woodsie) wrote:

it's junk. get a real 3D program.

I have one ... Raydream Studio version 5 or 6.
It's a real pill, and somewhat flaky.

3DStudio is out of my price range.

Thanks for the comments.

--
Farlo
Urban Fey Dragon
"Imperial" States of America
(The Land of Confusion)

Farlo

Jul 8 2003, 11:43 AM

"Baeowulf"
<[Email Removed]
ol.com> wrote:

QUOTE

You could always use TrueSpace, that's fairly cheep...you can even get
old versions for free, iirc.

I'll look into that one, thanks!

Alias Lightwave was $1000+ last time I looked ...

--
Farlo
Urban Fey Dragon
"Imperial" States of America
(The Land of Confusion)

Kreo

Jul 8 2003, 12:29 PM

in article bNiNa.354402$[Email Removed], Blue Egg at
[Email Removed] wrote on 04/07/2003 19:26:

QUOTE

I am using Adobe Illustrator 9.0 . How do I save my logo in vector format?

Thanks!

Uhhhmmmmm!!! Tell me (us) are U a total beginner or...?

--
Kreso

Hunter Elliott

Jul 8 2003, 12:45 PM

"DaKitty" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
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(I hope I'm in the right forum)
Work in progress:
http://www.cb-design.net

I'm still tinkering with the text content, graphics/pictures layout will
come after I have the text done (to a certain point).
The more I look at it, the more I think the grays are too light if I'm
going
to use yellow text. I think I need to go darker.

I find it very hard to read the text off of that tiny-striped background...
and there's just something odd about the color combo of that grey and the
yellow-gold of the text ... it makes the text fuzzy-looking to me. I really
couldn't get past those two items, sorry.

Kreo

Jul 8 2003, 01:09 PM

in article ibIMa.1991$[Email Removed], peral at [Email Removed] wrote
on 02/07/2003 23:32:

QUOTE

http://freeweb.siol.net/periv

Ciao Slovenka! Bas je nice tak sresti nekog iz poznatih krajeva na ovoj
njuzi...

--
Kreso

--> Get A Life, Get A Mac! <--

Edward Wedig

Jul 8 2003, 01:10 PM

In article <[email protected]>, [Email Removed]
says...

QUOTE

"Baeowulf"
<[Email Removed]
ol.com> wrote:

You could always use TrueSpace, that's fairly cheep...you can even get
old versions for free, iirc.

I'll look into that one, thanks!

Alias Lightwave was $1000+ last time I looked ...

Pov-Ray is free...
povray.org

-Ed
--
****************************
Edward Wedig
Graphic Designer - Web Designer - Gamemaster - Nice Guy
www.docbrown.net
****************************

Davide Montellanico

Jul 8 2003, 01:23 PM

There are also some differences between the PC and the Mac gamma values and
this can influence the colours perception.

--
Davide Montellanico

"chris / www.cyan1.com" <[Email Removed]> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:BB306C6B.492D%[Email Removed]...

QUOTE

hi,

I've been setting up my new PC laptop (shock horror) and everything is
going
well except for colour calibration between the Macs and PC.

does anyone know of a good colour calibration tool, or maybe software to
do
something to make the PC represent colour like a mac? or is it something I
have to live with?

the PC lap top seems to have very flat colour in comparison to Photoshop
on
the mac, I have read up and notice this is 'normal' due to system palettes
and how colour is dealt with but surely there's a fix?

pc specs (if this helps) : Compaq 15" LCD / 600mb RAM / 2ghz / Win XP

thanks for any help

Chris.

Uvulopalatopharyngoplasty

Jul 8 2003, 02:13 PM

BTW, I thought your English was pretty good!
Welcome to the group and I hope your dreams come true!

Holly

Hunter Elliott

Jul 8 2003, 02:15 PM

"Davide Montellanico" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:1uAOa.33672$[Email Removed]...

QUOTE

There are also some differences between the PC and the Mac gamma values
and
this can influence the colours perception.

there are also color/luminence variances between an LCD and a standard
monitor to tack into consideration.

Uvulopalatopharyngoplasty

Jul 8 2003, 02:32 PM

wow, you are all so talented. I passed on the info to my
(potential) client and they'll be in touch if they decide to move further
with their project. Thanks, everyone! This is the best group. I wish I
could draw like some of you!

Holly

Kreo

Jul 8 2003, 02:38 PM

in article [Email Removed], Rastin Mehr at
[Email Removed] wrote on 02/07/2003 01:22:

QUOTE

I've installed it on Jaguar,

I've noticed a significant speed boost and smooth handling of Flash
contents. Any feedbacks from you folks out there?

Rastin

Try Safari (www.apple.com). It's made and optimized for X. Anyway, if you
all didn't know, Microsoft and IE won't be present on Macs anymore... IE
v5.2 is the latest versoin they will work on - from now on Safari is the
only choice (besides some other browsers...) for OS X!

I've tried it and I must say that it flies!!! It's much better and faster
than IE/Netscape allthough I have a lots of simpaties for Netscape. It's my
first and will be always my dearest browser...

--
Kreso

cpg

Jul 8 2003, 03:44 PM

QUOTE

See if your Illustrator is working with unclosed paths! If so, close path in
Illustrator and it should work fine in every other app. I don't understand
why open it in PhotoShop (rasterize ity there!) -

I'm rasterizing because I'm using the logo here for web applications.

thanks for the suggestions.

cpg

cpg

Jul 8 2003, 03:45 PM

QUOTE

Or you could just open an Illy file in PS. Works fine with I10 and PS7.
Also, you can export PSD files from Illy, which also works fine.

I could swear I tried this 50 times, but I just tried it again and it
worked fine. Just seems to be a quirkly copy/paste issue, I guess.

thanks, cpg

Dan

Jul 8 2003, 04:40 PM

It's not a PC - Mac thing, it's a LCD - CRT monitor thing. If you need to
see accurate color, today's LCDs aren't there yet.

Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com

"chris / www.cyan1.com" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:BB306C6B.492D%[Email Removed]...

QUOTE

hi,

I've been setting up my new PC laptop (shock horror) and everything is
going
well except for colour calibration between the Macs and PC.

does anyone know of a good colour calibration tool, or maybe software to
do
something to make the PC represent colour like a mac? or is it something I
have to live with?

the PC lap top seems to have very flat colour in comparison to Photoshop
on
the mac, I have read up and notice this is 'normal' due to system palettes
and how colour is dealt with but surely there's a fix?

pc specs (if this helps) : Compaq 15" LCD / 600mb RAM / 2ghz / Win XP

thanks for any help

Chris.

Baeowulf

Jul 8 2003, 06:11 PM

There's the Spyder colourimeter and software:
http://www.colorvision.com/home.html

And then GretagMacBeth's Eye-One system: http://www.gretagMacbeth.com

"chris / www.cyan1.com" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:BB306C6B.492D%[Email Removed]...

QUOTE

hi,

I've been setting up my new PC laptop (shock horror) and everything is
going
well except for colour calibration between the Macs and PC.

does anyone know of a good colour calibration tool, or maybe software to
do
something to make the PC represent colour like a mac? or is it something I
have to live with?

the PC lap top seems to have very flat colour in comparison to Photoshop
on
the mac, I have read up and notice this is 'normal' due to system palettes
and how colour is dealt with but surely there's a fix?

pc specs (if this helps) : Compaq 15" LCD / 600mb RAM / 2ghz / Win XP

thanks for any help

Chris.

Baeowulf

Jul 8 2003, 06:12 PM

Pov-ray also doesn't have a wysiwyg interface...you have to hand code
everything :shudders:

"Edward Wedig" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
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QUOTE

In article <[email protected]>, [Email Removed]
says...
"Baeowulf"

<[Email Removed]
ol.com> wrote:

You could always use TrueSpace, that's fairly cheep...you can even get
old versions for free, iirc.

I'll look into that one, thanks!

Alias Lightwave was $1000+ last time I looked ...

Pov-Ray is free...
povray.org

-Ed
--
****************************
Edward Wedig
Graphic Designer - Web Designer - Gamemaster - Nice Guy
www.docbrown.net
****************************

Edward Wedig

Jul 8 2003, 07:26 PM

So? Use Moray, the wireframe modeller for Povray:
http://www.stmuc.com/moray/

-Ed

In article <HIEOa.15$[Email Removed]>,
[Email Removed]
ol.com says...

QUOTE

Pov-ray also doesn't have a wysiwyg interface...you have to hand code
everything :shudders:

"Edward Wedig" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:beejcm$4bi9k$[Email Removed]...
In article <[email protected]>, [Email Removed]
says...
"Baeowulf"

<[Email Removed]
ol.com> wrote:

You could always use TrueSpace, that's fairly cheep...you can even get
old versions for free, iirc.

I'll look into that one, thanks!

Alias Lightwave was $1000+ last time I looked ...

Pov-Ray is free...
povray.org

-Ed

--
****************************
Edward Wedig
Graphic Designer - Web Designer - Gamemaster - Nice Guy
www.docbrown.net
****************************

Matt Bostock

Jul 8 2003, 07:37 PM

Handy :)

Head for Spain quick ;)

Matt
--
I miss Rage Against The Machine.

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http://www.i-connect.co.uk/speedoffence/check.asp

Username: username
Password: password

Enter your vehicle reg and it'll check the police DB to see if you've been
trapped for speed, but have yet to be prosecuted.

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SpaceGirl

Jul 8 2003, 08:33 PM

I dont have a car :)

"Matt Bostock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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Handy :)

Head for Spain quick ;)

Matt
--
I miss Rage Against The Machine.

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http://www.i-connect.co.uk/speedoffence/check.asp

Username: username
Password: password

Enter your vehicle reg and it'll check the police DB to see if you've
been
trapped for speed, but have yet to be prosecuted.

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Farlo

Jul 8 2003, 10:32 PM

"Baeowulf"
<[Email Removed]
..com> wrote:

QUOTE

Alias Wavefront

Newtek Lightwave

Ooops.

--
Farlo
Urban Fey Dragon
"Imperial" States of America
(The Land of Confusion)

Farlo

Jul 8 2003, 10:32 PM

Edward Wedig <[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE

Pov-Ray is free...
povray.org

Thank you!

--
Farlo
Urban Fey Dragon
"Imperial" States of America
(The Land of Confusion)

dotcombs

Jul 9 2003, 01:44 AM

Your gold yellow is nice. I don't know why it bothers me to see lined
graphics ontop of a lined background when the lines don't match up. There is
an outline look to the title graphics, but I don't think that helps. It
would be better to have just one graphic across the top instead of two.

Did this in 1999 for my own page. I used wider lines but it works with thin
lines too.
http://www.dotcombs.net/testpage.html

Dorothy

"DaKitty" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
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QUOTE

(I hope I'm in the right forum)
Work in progress:
http://www.cb-design.net

I'm still tinkering with the text content, graphics/pictures layout will
come after I have the text done (to a certain point).
The more I look at it, the more I think the grays are too light if I'm
going
to use yellow text. I think I need to go darker.

Ideas, suggestions, comments, Please?

Thanks :)
-DaKitty

Baeowulf

Jul 9 2003, 02:44 AM

I'll stick with lightwave.

Not that I can model my way out of a paperbag...

"Edward Wedig" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
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QUOTE

So? Use Moray, the wireframe modeller for Povray:
http://www.stmuc.com/moray/

-Ed

In article <HIEOa.15$[Email Removed]>,
[Email Removed]
ol.com says...
Pov-ray also doesn't have a wysiwyg interface...you have to hand code
everything :shudders:

"Edward Wedig" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:beejcm$4bi9k$[Email Removed]...
In article <[email protected]>, [Email Removed]
says...
"Baeowulf"

<[Email Removed]
ol.com> wrote:

You could always use TrueSpace, that's fairly cheep...you can even
get
old versions for free, iirc.

I'll look into that one, thanks!

Alias Lightwave was $1000+ last time I looked ...

Pov-Ray is free...
povray.org

-Ed

--
****************************
Edward Wedig
Graphic Designer - Web Designer - Gamemaster - Nice Guy
www.docbrown.net
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DaKitty

Jul 9 2003, 02:54 AM

"Davide Montellanico" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
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Hi Kitty,
IMHO the problem is the pixelated background image. If you want to use it
you could try to put the text over a spot colour *the grey in the footer
for
example or a lighter one* in this way you could use a darker colour for
the
font or stick with the yellow.

yea. I'm thinking much darker background, if I stick with yellow text.
Ultimatelly, the darker background will probably allow for more focus on the
gfraphics that I eventually put on the site, which is ultimately the effect
I want, the pic's will tell the story, text will be secondary to the pic's/

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Try to create a layout made of different boxes, with a 'mondrianic style'
and put the text in different coloured areas *you could use only a couple
of
colours or different shades of grey* I don't know if it will works but you
must experiment a little.

Yea, that's a good Idea, thanks :)
If at all possible I want to stay with gray/yellow scheme. I do have room to
play with the values of the two.

oh, btw, thank you for taking the time to look and comment :)

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Davide Montellanico

"DaKitty" <[Email Removed]> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:D6vOa.91482$Pc5.62088@fed1read01...

(I hope I'm in the right forum)
Work in progress:
http://www.cb-design.net

I'm still tinkering with the text content, graphics/pictures layout will
come after I have the text done (to a certain point).
The more I look at it, the more I think the grays are too light if I'm
going
to use yellow text. I think I need to go darker.

Ideas, suggestions, comments, Please?

Thanks :)
-DaKitty

DaKitty

Jul 9 2003, 02:58 AM

Thank you for taking the time to look and comment :)

Yea, I agree, the more I think about it, the more I think I missed the
values combo for those two colors.
It looks much better on paper (printed version on the business card) but on
backlight screens those grays and stripes do not recede like they do on
paper.

As for not getting past those two, it's okay. Those two are just what I was
thinking are not working well together, so in a way, you nailed what I
thought the major deficiency was. I think I needed a few extra pairs of eyes
to look at it to confirm that to myself.

Thanks a bunch :)

"Hunter Elliott" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
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"DaKitty" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:D6vOa.91482$Pc5.62088@fed1read01...

(I hope I'm in the right forum)
Work in progress:
http://www.cb-design.net

I'm still tinkering with the text content, graphics/pictures layout will
come after I have the text done (to a certain point).
The more I look at it, the more I think the grays are too light if I'm
going
to use yellow text. I think I need to go darker.

I find it very hard to read the text off of that tiny-striped
background...
and there's just something odd about the color combo of that grey and the
yellow-gold of the text ... it makes the text fuzzy-looking to me. I
really
couldn't get past those two items, sorry.

DaKitty

Jul 9 2003, 03:03 AM

"mark | r" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
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damned thats nasty... sorry

i suggest that you visit coolhomepages.com styleboost.com and netdiver.com
to see what other people are doing...

if you're going to be a pro then you site should look like you are! - this
design is about 7 years out of date and looks like a bad frontpage
template.

we're pushing boundaries here, not making do :)

mark

True about pushing boundaries.
I have to keep in mind that my target audience is extremely conservative,
traditionalist and not very creative.
Many of them just barely learning how to use email.
You know, in comparison, kind of like left brainer accountants.
In the past, frilly would turn them off and scare them.

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"DaKitty" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:D6vOa.91482$Pc5.62088@fed1read01...

(I hope I'm in the right forum)
Work in progress:
http://www.cb-design.net

I'm still tinkering with the text content, graphics/pictures layout will
come after I have the text done (to a certain point).
The more I look at it, the more I think the grays are too light if I'm
going
to use yellow text. I think I need to go darker.

Ideas, suggestions, comments, Please?

Thanks :)
-DaKitty

DaKitty

Jul 9 2003, 03:06 AM

Thank you for taking the time to look and comment :)

I think I need to go darker with the gray, and maybe not so much contrast
between the 2 grays.
I tried staying within the websafe grays... I may not decide to stay within
that constraint.

"dotcombs" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
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Your gold yellow is nice. I don't know why it bothers me to see lined
graphics ontop of a lined background when the lines don't match up. There
is
an outline look to the title graphics, but I don't think that helps. It
would be better to have just one graphic across the top instead of two.

Did this in 1999 for my own page. I used wider lines but it works with
thin
lines too.
http://www.dotcombs.net/testpage.html

Dorothy

"DaKitty" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:D6vOa.91482$Pc5.62088@fed1read01...

(I hope I'm in the right forum)
Work in progress:
http://www.cb-design.net

I'm still tinkering with the text content, graphics/pictures layout will
come after I have the text done (to a certain point).
The more I look at it, the more I think the grays are too light if I'm
going
to use yellow text. I think I need to go darker.

Ideas, suggestions, comments, Please?

Thanks :)
-DaKitty

DaKitty

Jul 9 2003, 07:35 AM

"Farlo" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
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Is this Windows XP compatible?

I am thinking about getting back into 3D again, and this package looks
pretty sweet at the price. I could load up Raydream Studio again, but ...
what a pill it is to use RDS! Hopefully "Dimensions" is much easier to
use.

Any other comments?

Depends on what you are trying to render and model.
Are you looking to do mechanical objects, products, static items?
Environment? Indoors, outdoors, level of detail, lighting...
Photorealistic look, or more of a 'rendered' look?
Animation? Simplistic animation or character development?

Different software has different strengths and weaknesses, and it always
depends on what you want to see in the end.
I have beed noing 3D since the early 90's, since autocad was in release 10
and came out wioth a true 3D vector graphics and came out with 3D Studio,
and bu now have used dozens of different applications.

Mos of the places nowdays have demo versions that are locked with a number
of days or number of uses that can be downloaded for free, that will allow
you to test it out before you buy.
Two of my favorites, when you combine the price with performance are Bryce
and Poser. I love Bryce rendering capabilities and ease of use, I love
poser's ease of use for basic animation and characters. I love 3d studio's
flexibility, but find it cumbersome for small projects. I love the look you
get out of lightwave and ray dream rendering engine, Autocad works great for
terrain models and blocky rtectangular geometrics but the rendering end if
it sucks, I like Rhino for nurbs modelling, I like Canoma for extracting 3D
models out of photos... I like the realsam you can get out of Terragen...
many others...
and Maya... ahh *drool*

It will probably thake ytou a few months of playing to just ebvaluate most
of the demo's, which can be fuin and learning experinece.

Flash MX apparently does a lot of 3D now, so I hear. I haven't upgraded to
MX suite yet,

ribaja

Jul 9 2003, 08:46 AM

Uvulopalatopharyngoplasty <[Email Removed]> wrote in message news:<bef54g$95q$[Email Removed]>...

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BTW, I thought your English was pretty good!
Welcome to the group and I hope your dreams come true!

Holly

Thanks, Holly

Ciao,
Rino

Ranxerox

Jul 9 2003, 09:24 AM

crack the gamma to 2 (halfway between PC and Mac). Its a start...

"chris / www.cyan1.com" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
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hi,

I've been setting up my new PC laptop (shock horror) and everything is
going
well except for colour calibration between the Macs and PC.

does anyone know of a good colour calibration tool, or maybe software to
do
something to make the PC represent colour like a mac? or is it something I
have to live with?

the PC lap top seems to have very flat colour in comparison to Photoshop
on
the mac, I have read up and notice this is 'normal' due to system palettes
and how colour is dealt with but surely there's a fix?

pc specs (if this helps) : Compaq 15" LCD / 600mb RAM / 2ghz / Win XP

thanks for any help

Chris.

chris / www.cyan1.com

Jul 9 2003, 10:56 AM

cheers for that :)

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From: "Ranxerox" <[Email Removed]
Newsgroups: alt.design.graphics
Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 10:24:36 GMT
Subject: Re: Colour calibration

crack the gamma to 2 (halfway between PC and Mac). Its a start...

"chris / www.cyan1.com" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
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hi,

I've been setting up my new PC laptop (shock horror) and everything is
going
well except for colour calibration between the Macs and PC.

does anyone know of a good colour calibration tool, or maybe software to
do
something to make the PC represent colour like a mac? or is it something I
have to live with?

the PC lap top seems to have very flat colour in comparison to Photoshop
on
the mac, I have read up and notice this is 'normal' due to system palettes
and how colour is dealt with but surely there's a fix?

pc specs (if this helps) : Compaq 15" LCD / 600mb RAM / 2ghz / Win XP

thanks for any help

Chris.

chris / www.cyan1.com

Jul 9 2003, 10:57 AM

i agree, sort of, my mac ibook is LCD but displays colour the same as my mac
crt monitor so i was kinda hoping the pc LCD would do the same after a bit
of tweeking.

Chris.

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From: "Dan" <[Email Removed]
Organization: AT&T Worldnet
Newsgroups: alt.design.graphics
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 17:40:18 GMT
Subject: Re: Colour calibration

It's not a PC - Mac thing, it's a LCD - CRT monitor thing. If you need to
see accurate color, today's LCDs aren't there yet.

Dan
http://www.FreelanceWorkshops.com

"chris / www.cyan1.com" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:BB306C6B.492D%[Email Removed]...
hi,

I've been setting up my new PC laptop (shock horror) and everything is
going
well except for colour calibration between the Macs and PC.

does anyone know of a good colour calibration tool, or maybe software to
do
something to make the PC represent colour like a mac? or is it something I
have to live with?

the PC lap top seems to have very flat colour in comparison to Photoshop
on
the mac, I have read up and notice this is 'normal' due to system palettes
and how colour is dealt with but surely there's a fix?

pc specs (if this helps) : Compaq 15" LCD / 600mb RAM / 2ghz / Win XP

thanks for any help

Chris.

Branko Vukelic

Jul 9 2003, 11:36 AM

On Tue, 08 Jul 2003 16:09:36 +0200, Kre¼o <[Email Removed]>
wrote:

QUOTE

in article ibIMa.1991$[Email Removed], peral at [Email Removed]
wrote
on 02/07/2003 23:32:

http://freeweb.siol.net/periv

Ciao Slovenka! Bas je nice tak sresti nekog iz poznatih krajeva na ovoj
njuzi...

--
Kreso

--> Get A Life, Get A Mac! <--

Pozdrav tebi, iz Beograda!

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Branko

Rastin Mehr

Jul 9 2003, 02:33 PM

Oh I've been using Safari, since the day it was born, I must say it is
still my browser of choice for OS X, also recently I've been using
Netscape 7.1 which is based on Mozilla 1.4 and I found it nicely
optimized, fast and it renders all my favorite web sites nicely. It even
handles Flash contents very nicely (I know running flash in netscape use
to be a pain sometimes) I quit using netscape at the version 6. it was
really buggy, yet the latest version has been a much better design.

I know my argument may not make sense for most web designers since I.E.
is still pretty dominant, but in the last 6 month I received very good
commissions developing web sites for majority of Linux and Netscape and
Mozilla users, I must admit I didn't have much trouble optimizing my
code for cross browser bugs.

Rastin

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Try Safari (www.apple.com). It's made and optimized for X. Anyway, if you
all didn't know, Microsoft and IE won't be present on Macs anymore... IE
v5.2 is the latest versoin they will work on - from now on Safari is the
only choice (besides some other browsers...) for OS X!

I've tried it and I must say that it flies!!! It's much better and faster
than IE/Netscape allthough I have a lots of simpaties for Netscape. It's my
first and will be always my dearest browser...

--
Kreso

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Farlo

Jul 9 2003, 03:04 PM

Thank you for all the good tips ...

--
Farlo
Urban Fey Dragon
"Imperial" States of America
(The Land of Confusion)

Rastin Mehr

Jul 9 2003, 03:43 PM

They even have the OS X and Linux version, ... and it is open source
sweet ... makes a good research project for some of my classmates :)

Rastin

QUOTE

Pov-Ray is free...
povray.org

-Ed

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"The fact that Adam was sent to the Earth
to be alone with the only most beautiful
women he once met in heaven, doesn't sound
like a punishment at all"

Gem

Jul 9 2003, 08:04 PM

Chuck:

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No red x's here. I can see them just fine. Great work Jeff. Love yours too
Gem. That might make a fun project for me to play with this weekend.
(feeling the creative juices after returning from vacation)

Thanks. :)
So did you try it?? let's see 'em!

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Gem

SpaceGirl

Jul 9 2003, 09:42 PM

:P

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Have any of you actually tried this? I thought it was true until I put in
a
reg number and pressed the "See photo" button

"SpaceGirl" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
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http://www.i-connect.co.uk/speedoffence/check.asp

Username: username
Password: password

Enter your vehicle reg and it'll check the police DB to see if you've
been
trapped for speed, but have yet to be prosecuted.

DaKitty

Jul 9 2003, 11:08 PM

"mark | r" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
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...and its our job as designers to deliver an impacting solution that will
last for a couple of years and generate a return, you need to educate your
customers, i appreciate that many do not appreciate 'design' yet thats
what
theyre buying from you...

Mayve you missed the point. It's not the snazzy website they're buying from
me. It's the product that is listed on the website that is being sold.

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...currently you're not giving them anything they cant get themselves (see
templatemonster.com) - prebuilt web sites that actually look good!

Huh?
I'm not selling website designs. I'm selling the stuff that ia listed on
that site.
I'm not going to go spend money on prebuilt stuff, when I can do it myself.
At the moment, I have a lot of time, and a very limited budget. It's a
start-up company.

Like I said clients are not going to be attracted by snazzy unusual artsy
design, they're not the type that appreciates it. As a matter of fact, one
of the predominant sayings in that business is "Keep it simple, Stupid".
That's the mentality I need to cater to.

Trust me, if I launch the webdesign end of the company, which will probably
be under a different company and a .com name, the design would be a lot
different.

Maybe that's why I do so well, compared to many other artists and
designers... It;s a common complaint among my customers that they are pushed
into something they're not comfortable with, so they move on to the next
designer. The universal complaint has been, "We need someone who will do
less cutting edge wild stuff, and more listening to what "WE" the customer
want"

Many designers fail to consider that not all markets are ready for the
cutting edge design, and as a designer of a functional piece, form shouldn't
come to the sacrifice of function, or you'll lose sales.
When you're doing pure art, then you can play all you want.
This website in particular has a function at much higher level rather than
form.

How well do you know my target customers? Have you done much research about
what's visually appealing to engineers and financial people? How much
patience do you think people putting together an annual financial report
will have to be educated about the latest and greatest in design?

Give me a link to a sample that you consider "good looking" ??? I think
"good looking" is rather subjective.