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Uni
EnglishAbuseWatch wrote:
QUOTE
Uni <[Email Removed]> wrote in news:40E7648D.90404
@no.email.invalid:


Uni wrote:

Combaticus wrote:


in article [Email Removed], Paul Davis -
Supernews Support at [Email Removed] wrote on 06/30/2004 2:07 PM:



our skin's pretty thick.  It
has to be, we're an NSP..




Blah Blah Blah




if a single user's "abusive" behavior is causing enough
problems for other users, to the point that those other users are
letting us know about it, we feel it's our responsibility to the
"other" users to do something about it.




Typical herd mentality.


From 2002:

Supernews Abuse Desk wrote:

Yes,
<snip
Aside from that, we've had
ongoing complaints about your posts to JASC employees.  However,
that's no TOS violation, and aside from making you aware of it

we'd

simply like to point out that our lives would be mildly easier if
you tone it down/lay off a little.  Our policy on that sort of

thing

is that you are easily killfiled, especially by the JASC folks,

and

that is the best approach for people who simply dislike another's
posts when those posts don't constitute actual wholesale newsgroup
disruption (flooding, excessive nymshifting or nymshifting to

avoid

killfiles, actions/threats to take over, own, or destroy a group,
and things of that sort)


No TOS violation.

:-)

Uni


I think I'll add this to my SN web site page. Makes Supernews look as
though they don't read or agree with their own policies.

:-)

Such fun.

:-)

Uni




Talking to yourself again? Other than me, no one is paying you one whit
of attention. Probably like your Web Shite, bet you have had at least a
dozen hits. You, Mike and your sluper jp232. Not one else. Oh you will
claim thousands of hits a day or some such crap, but you will never post
unaltered web logs. Life has played a cruel joke on you Luni, you were
born.

The best part of you ran out of your mother's vagina.

:-)

Uni





--
Got Milk? No, But Got super news!
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/supernews.html

Combaticus
in article [email protected], EnglishAbuseWatch at
[Email Removed] wrote on 07/03/2004 8:14 PM:

QUOTE
Uni <[Email Removed]> wrote in news:40E76CA8.6070406
@no.email.invalid:

Combaticus wrote:
in article [email protected], EnglishAbuseWatch
at
[Email Removed] wrote on 07/02/2004 6:25 PM:



You English is still sucks regardless of how you context edit.




Also the word "is" is not needed in the above sentence.

hahahaha.


Calm down and write clearly and correctly next time.

hahaha.

"You English"

Hehehehehehehehehe

:-)

He's a dummy, for sure!

:-)

Uni - The Professional Engineer



Why didn't I learn to write in school?

BWAAAAAAAA!


Were you playing with yourself too much?

Combaticus
in article [email protected], EnglishAbuseWatch at
[Email Removed] wrote on 07/03/2004 8:24 PM:

QUOTE
Combaticus <[Email Removed]> wrote in news:BD0CB5B2.10FF8B%
[Email Removed]:

in article [email protected], EnglishAbuseWatch
at
[Email Removed] wrote on 07/02/2004 6:25 PM:


You English is still sucks regardless of how you context edit.



Also the word "is" is not needed in the above sentence.

hahahaha.


Calm down and write clearly and correctly next time.

hahaha.


I am another fuckwit unable to post in English in the newsgroups!!!

WHAAAAAAA!!!



You poor thing. I feel sorry for you.

hahahaha.

But not too sorry.

hahaha.

Combaticus
in article [email protected], EnglishAbuseWatch at
[Email Removed] wrote on 07/03/2004 8:24 PM:

QUOTE
tell us all about how the
EVUL empire Supernews


Supernews is free to run their business however they wish. People are free
to comment on how Supernews runs their business also.

That is how a free and open society works.

You are free to cry about it in the newsgroup too.

So cry to me some more. You're funny.

Combaticus
in article [email protected], EnglishAbuseWatch at
[Email Removed] wrote on 07/03/2004 8:28 PM:


QUOTE

So answer the question fuckwit.


You did not write a question, goofball.

Combaticus
in article [email protected], EnglishAbuseWatch at
[Email Removed] wrote on 07/03/2004 8:30 PM:


QUOTE
Interesting info about Supernews and how they are running their business
into the ground.

hahahahaha.


A Luni Web Site full of TRUTH!

Glad you agree.

Combaticus
in article [email protected], EnglishAbuseWatch at
[Email Removed] wrote on 07/03/2004 8:37 PM:

QUOTE
I am in warp
speed meltdown which is fun to watch.


It sure is.

hahaha.

Uni
Combaticus wrote:
QUOTE
in article [Email Removed], Uni at
[Email Removed] wrote on 07/03/2004 7:24 PM:


http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/supernews.html




Interesting info about Supernews and how they are running their business
into the ground.

hahahahaha.

Jasc Software, Inc. and Supernews have a lot in common. Both are
operated by goofy people and both will love you until you post negative
comments about them.


:-)

Uni

Uni
Combaticus wrote:
QUOTE
in article [email protected], EnglishAbuseWatch at
[Email Removed] wrote on 07/03/2004 8:14 PM:


Uni <[Email Removed]> wrote in news:40E76CA8.6070406
@no.email.invalid:


Combaticus wrote:

in article [email protected], EnglishAbuseWatch

at

[Email Removed] wrote on 07/02/2004 6:25 PM:




You English is still sucks regardless of how you context edit.




Also the word "is" is not needed in the above sentence.

hahahaha.


Calm down and write clearly and correctly next time.

hahaha.

"You English"

Hehehehehehehehehe

:-)

He's a dummy, for sure!

:-)

Uni - The Professional Engineer



Why didn't I learn to write in school?

BWAAAAAAAA!



Were you playing with yourself too much?

They thought he was a girl, since his ding-a-ling is so small.

:-)

Tehehehehehehe

:-)

Uni


QUOTE






--
Got Milk? No, But Got super news!
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/supernews.html

Uni
Combaticus wrote:
QUOTE
in article [Email Removed], Uni at
[Email Removed] wrote on 07/03/2004 7:24 PM:


http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/supernews.html




Interesting info about Supernews and how they are running their business
into the ground.

hahahahaha.

Updated!

:-)

Uni

Trenchrat
"Trenchrat" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:[Email Removed]...
QUOTE
Unseat E. Clay Shaw Tory Loyalist bastard.
We do not need people shoving religion down childrens throats.

Get the torturers out of office and return the government back to the
people, not the capitalist scum sucking maggots.


BRANDO: "Hollywood is run by Jews; it is owned by Jews, and they should
have a greater sensitivity about the issue of -- of people who are
suffering. Because they've exploited -- we have seen the -- we have seen
the Nigger and Greaseball, we've seen the Chink, we've seen the
slit-eyed dangerous Jap, we have seen the wily Filipino, we've seen
everything but we never saw the Kike. Because they knew perfectly well,
that that is where you draw the wagons around."


Unseat Florida Congressman E. Clay Shaw capitalist tax sucking maggot.

Trenchrat
<[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:[Email Removed]...
QUOTE
2004 ~ Jeb wrongfully accuses Democrats of being felonious Floridians
_____________________________________________________________

George Bush kidnapped me in 1982. There is no statute of limitations.

Then he had me drugged and interrogated. And something planted in my
back. I had a cat scan taken of it.


BRANDO: "Hollywood is run by Jews; it is owned by Jews, and they should
have a greater sensitivity about the issue of -- of people who are
suffering. Because they've exploited -- we have seen the -- we have seen
the Nigger and Greaseball, we've seen the Chink, we've seen the
slit-eyed dangerous Jap, we have seen the wily Filipino, we've seen
everything but we never saw the Kike. Because they knew perfectly well,
that that is where you draw the wagons around."


Unseat Florida Congressman E. Clay Shaw capitalist tax sucking maggot.

Davide Montellanico
Hi Gem, Sorry for the times it tooks me to reply.

"Gem" <[Email Removed]> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:[Email Removed]...
QUOTE
great. Maybe enrollment will increase this year and you'll have a larger
class.
I guess it will depend upon available jobs for graduating students. Fewer
jobs
in that field means less students for those classes, usually.

The school has not very much interest in the web design field. Probably it's
due to a traditional approach by the most important teachers in the school.
Into multimedia courses students prefer to attend 3D and/or video editing
(AVID) classes.
I hope to be there for the next year... *me crossing fingers*

QUOTE
I would like to try other cities than Milano and see what will happen.

This could be interesting, if you can get by what Pepe's said you must do.
:(


No!... Unfortunately I can't.

QUOTE
Sure, it will be fine but I'm not so fluent with the english language.

One of my favorite teachers, very talented, was from Bolivia. He had a
thick
accent and spoke very low. Once I learned how to listen to him, I
understood
him perfectly.
Your posts are not as rough as you think. You express yourself just fine.

Ah!...Bolivia. We had a lot of Bolivian students this year. I had one
Bolivian girl in my class too.
She teach me some words in Spanish but I almost forgot all.
I had also others two foreign girls in my classroom. One she cames from
Norway and the other one from Poland.

I was constrained to speak only in english during the time they attended my
course. Anyway I enjoy this situation very much.

I had to 'warm-up' my mind a bit and then I was almost fluently speaking
english, apart the very big mistakes I made. :-)

QUOTE
Remember Mike Minovski? He wrote in English very well. Sure miss him
around
here.

I missed him and lot of other people too, Mike Senna for example. Do you
remember him?

QUOTE
Probably what I do for the most part of the time: web and multimedia
design.

Do you see a declining or rising interest in this field of design in your
city?


I live in Varese, a small town near the Switzerland, therefore there are not
very much job opportunities into this kind of field.
Milano is considered the most important italian city for design and fashion
agencies. Anyway since the beginning of the new millenium I noticed that job
offerings in these kind of fields have decreased dramatically.

The recession effects are more evident for those involved into web design.
In Italy there are very little opportunities nowaday because from small
sized companies to big corporations, very few managers are aware of the
importance of online services.

Often, middle sized companies are present over the web with a static website
only. They think about their web pages as they would think about a printed
brochure. In addition, potential italian customers are not inclined to use
the web to do money transactions or for reservations, at least not as
american people do.

I think that most of the jobs in the web design field come from website
redesign and/or dynamic website development.

Unfortunately, In Italy at the moment is very hard to find these kind of
jobs, especially for a freelance...


QUOTE
During my lessons I'm specifically oriented toward creativity and coding
with actionScript, from foundation to intermediate/advanced levels.

Your students are lucky that you include and encourage creativity along
with
coding. The classes I experienced focused on the mechanics not necessarily
the
aesthetics, but maybe they assumed we'd automatically use our own
creativity in
the future, i don't know.

Smooches!
you too!

---Gem


cheers :-)

--
Davide

Aratzio
Even more Incomplete messages on Supernews... it is getting worse as the
days go on.




in article [Email Removed], [Email Removed] at
[Email Removed] wrote on 07/06/2004 9:41 AM:

QUOTE
On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 18:03:48 +0200, "Brian Dickens"
<newsgroups@(remove-this-part)briandickens.demon.nl> wrote:

Looking for needles in a haystack? Well, the problem with incomplete files
is of such a magnitude that it would be more like looking for some hay in a
huge stack of needles.

=- Brian Dickens, the Netherlands

You're right, this didn't appear to be a small problem isolated to a
few newsgroups. In the three instances of incomplete files over the
past week or so, the problem was systematic across all the newsgroups
that I check. There seems to be a window of many hours where almost
all the posts were incomplete yet everything was complete on Big Gulp.

In the past, I haven't emailed SN about those problems, I had assumed
that SN maintained a real time analysis of the number of incomplete
files over a time window. AFAIK, all newsreaders routinely know which
uploads are incomplete. If such an analysis program were running on
SN, the spike in incomplete files would have been quite apparent
within a few hours of the problem. The alternative would  appear to be
waiting for users to complain, which would seem to be way too late.



Aratzio
Supernews has no ability to find out what messages are missing and must beg
people to help it problem solve it's own problems.

Too bad Supernews does not pay anything for all the help it needs!




in article [Email Removed], Andrew -
Supernews at [Email Removed] wrote on 07/06/2004 9:13 AM:

QUOTE
On 2004-07-06, Brian Dickens <[Email Removed]> wrote:
True, true. Just headering a binary newsgroup clearly shows the problem...
for example, alt.binaries.nl -- last night, I uploaded two CDs through
Usenetserver. On various newsservers everything was okay, Supernews had a
lot of incompletes. Usually, Supernews receives my postings without any
problems. I had a lot to segmentfill... :(

Message-ids of the segments that _didn't_ get through would be extremely
useful, if you can get them.


Aratzio
Supernews can't find the messages and cries for help from anyone and
everyone. Too bad the people that work for Supernews don't know what they
are doing.






in article [Email Removed], Andrew -
Supernews at [Email Removed] wrote on 07/06/2004 8:36 AM:

QUOTE
On 2004-07-06, Dowop <[Email Removed]> wrote:
The 2 big ones I use are:
alt.binariessounds.1940s'alt.binaries.sounds.78rpt-era

If there are more than 1 file to a 'series' , some come through
complete - most of them don't

I'm sure there are many more.

Just _one_ example of a file with a missing part would help a lot, rather
than leave us having to waste time looking for needles in haystacks.


MartinS
A frog calling itself Aratzio <[Email Removed]> wrote:
QUOTE

Supernews can't find the messages and cries for help from anyone and
everyone.  Too bad the people that work for Supernews don't know
what they are doing.

Too bad there are so many twerps who top-post and have never heard of
snipping.

--
Martin S.

rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski
"MartinS" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:40eb675e$0$50246$[Email Removed]
QUOTE
A frog calling itself Aratzio <[Email Removed]> wrote:

Supernews can't find the messages and cries for help from anyone and
everyone.  Too bad the people that work for Supernews don't know
what they are doing.

Too bad there are so many twerps who top-post and have never heard of
snipping.

Or goddess knows who posting through Astraweb bitching about Supernews.
If I had a Supernews account and thought they were totally incompetent, I
wouldn't start by posting here. I can figure out Jeremy's e-mail, and would
start by shaking his tree. And Jeremy knows damn well how to contact me if I
am full of shit. Looks to me like the OP is just a lying troll.
--
http://www.dextromethorphan.ws/
For information about the psychedelic DXM, including dangers.
"If I swallow anything evil, put your finger down my throat."
-The Who, "Behind Blue Eyes"

rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski
"Aratzio" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:BD10ACF3.110EC7%[Email Removed]
QUOTE
Even more Incomplete messages on Supernews... it is getting worse as
the days go on.

Then find another Usenet provider
--
http://www.dextromethorphan.ws/
For information about the psychedelic DXM, including dangers.
"If I swallow anything evil, put your finger down my throat."
-The Who, "Behind Blue Eyes" fool and pay them. My DSL provider died for a
while in this area, and when I called them the automated system told me that
all of Lansing, MI was offline. After waiting for an actual human tech, I
asked for the backup dial up number. My DSL provider allows dial up
connections for the business clients with laptops. Works just a well when
DSL goes belly up here. As for Usenet, my DSL provider is a total joke. For
Usenet, I just use Easynews for binaries, and the server I am posting this
through for text. NEVER discard a Usenet provider run by a geek who knows
what he is doing. :)

Aratzio
in article 40eb6a0f$0$169$[Email Removed],
rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski at [Email Removed] wrote on 07/06/2004 8:13
PM:


QUOTE
I am full of shit. Looks to me like the I am just a lying troll.


Nice to see that you know your place in the universe.

Aratzio
I prefer to make their lack of skill and ability a public matter.





in article 40eb6d23$0$74437$[Email Removed],
rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski at [Email Removed] wrote on 07/06/2004 8:26
PM:

QUOTE
"Aratzio" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:BD10ACF3.110EC7%[Email Removed]
Even more Incomplete messages on Supernews... it is getting worse as
the days go on.

Then find another Usenet provider


Rene
Aratzio <[Email Removed]> wrote:
QUOTE
I prefer to make their lack of skill and ability a public matter.

in article 40eb6d23$0$74437$[Email Removed],
rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski at [Email Removed] wrote on 07/06/2004 8:26
PM:

"Aratzio" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:BD10ACF3.110EC7%[Email Removed]
Even more Incomplete messages on Supernews... it is getting worse as
the days go on.

Then find another Usenet provider

With top-posting, you only make *your* lack of skill and ability a public
matter. But then again, Frogging from Astraweb was already a strong enough
hint of that...

CU

Ren

--
-------------------- http://NewsReader.Com/ --------------------
Usenet Newsgroup Service $9.95/Month 30GB

Aratzio
Supernews still can't get it right.
Still having problems with their news server.
When will Supernews hire some competent employees?

HaHaHa





in article [Email Removed], [Email Removed] at
[Email Removed] wrote on 07/07/2004 7:12 AM:

QUOTE
On Tue, 06 Jul 2004 16:11:29 -0000, Andrew - Supernews
<[Email Removed]> wrote:

On 2004-07-06, [Email Removed] <[Email Removed]> wrote:
[snip]

Thanks. That saved me some time. Looking into the issue now.

FWIW, it happened again, there was another cluster of incomiplete
files last night. The window was much shorter, about an hour around
2am EDT.

In alt.binaries.erotica.pornstars.80s - Taija Rae "Spoiled", parts 1
and 2 were incomplete but complete on Big Gulp.

In alt.binaries.erotica.divx CD2 of the Seymore Butts upload, parts
18, 20 and 21 were incomplete but complete on Big Gulp.



Aratzio
Supernews gets SPANKED again!


in article [Email Removed], [Email Removed] at
[Email Removed] wrote on 07/06/2004 9:41 AM:

QUOTE
On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 18:03:48 +0200, "Brian Dickens"
<newsgroups@(remove-this-part)briandickens.demon.nl> wrote:

[Email Removed] wrote:

Just _one_ example of a file with a missing part would help a lot,
rather than leave us having to waste time looking for needles in
haystacks.

Looking for needles in a haystack? Well, the problem with incomplete files
is of such a magnitude that it would be more like looking for some hay in a
huge stack of needles.

=- Brian Dickens, the Netherlands

You're right, this didn't appear to be a small problem isolated to a
few newsgroups. In the three instances of incomplete files over the
past week or so, the problem was systematic across all the newsgroups
that I check. There seems to be a window of many hours where almost
all the posts were incomplete yet everything was complete on Big Gulp.

In the past, I haven't emailed SN about those problems, I had assumed
that SN maintained a real time analysis of the number of incomplete
files over a time window. AFAIK, all newsreaders routinely know which
uploads are incomplete. If such an analysis program were running on
SN, the spike in incomplete files would have been quite apparent
within a few hours of the problem. The alternative would  appear to be
waiting for users to complain, which would seem to be way too late.



Seems that Supernews does not keep track of their servers because none
of the employees know how to do that. They wait for the more competent
users to find the problems.

wowfabgroovy
Aratzio <[Email Removed]> went:

QUOTE

I prefer to make their lack of skill and ability a public matter.





in article 40eb6d23$0$74437$[Email Removed],
rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski at [Email Removed] wrote on 07/06/2004 8:26
PM:

"Aratzio" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:BD10ACF3.110EC7%[Email Removed]
Even more Incomplete messages on Supernews... it is getting worse as
the days go on.

Then find another Usenet provider

supernews are only really interested in customers who use single part
picture groups anyway, that's why they give them preferential
retention. what's there to be incomplete in those groups?
people who want multipart binaries don't really go with supernews.

--
warning -- bbc7 and an increasing number of other stereo radio
stations are broadcast in 1960s style mono on dab digital radio,
a system that is supposedly "the future of radio".

Aratzio
More and more people are getting fed
up with the sloppy work being done
by Supernews "Techies"...





in article [Email Removed], friendly fire at
[Email Removed] wrote on 07/07/2004 10:47 AM:

QUOTE

you lazy supernews techie noobs.,

you need customers to tell you the status of your sjeit???
...
???????????
....

give me a break!!

instead of grabbing a news proggie you wait for bloody HOURS untill
someone comes up with a msgID., SHAME ON YOU!!.,

i noticed the problem in most binaries groups.,
ITS NOT THAT HARD TO FIND!., ask a co-worker if you dont know what a
news reader is.,

frankly i'm baffled by your inability to diagnose something like
that., it should be right in your face in big red words "ALARM.,ALARM"

hey, i'm PAYING you guys to KNOW such things.,
to, at least, have knowledge of what's going on on your own servers.,.

jees.,




On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:31:00 +0200, "Brian Dickens"
<newsgroups@(remove-this-part)briandickens.demon.nl> wrote:

Hi,

it would seem Supernews is having major problems with incomplete files. I
noticed it yesterday, but it may have been present before also.

What's going on?

=- Brian Dickens, the Netherlands



Aratzio
On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 23:48:54 GMT, wowfabgroovy
<[Email Removed]> got double secret probation because:

QUOTE
Aratzio <[Email Removed]> went:


I prefer to make their lack of skill and ability a public matter.





in article 40eb6d23$0$74437$[Email Removed],
rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski at [Email Removed] wrote on 07/06/2004 8:26
PM:

"Aratzio" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:BD10ACF3.110EC7%[Email Removed]
Even more Incomplete messages on Supernews... it is getting worse as
the days go on.

Then find another Usenet provider

supernews are only really interested in customers who use single part
picture groups anyway, that's why they give them preferential
retention. what's there to be incomplete in those groups?
people who want multipart binaries don't really go with supernews.

Check the headers, you are responding to a know spammer named
ArtistMike that has its posting privs blocked from SN. It seems to
have issues with the fact that they will not let it spam through their
service and they block any post with its spam sig in it. Which is why
it must use socks and frogs. But it always drops its spam sig when
doing so in compliance with what SN has decreed.

'Ratz

Jackie Laderout
in article [Email Removed], Aratzio at
[Email Removed] wrote on 07/07/2004 6:13 PM:


QUOTE
Check the headers, you are responding to a know spammer ...


You don't know that for a fact. That is only your opinion.

Mike
in article [Email Removed], Aratzio at
[Email Removed] wrote on 07/07/2004 6:13 PM:

QUOTE
they block any post with its spam sig in it.

That is not the truth, Ratboi.

http://www.artistmike.com

http://www.artistmike.com



--
Mike

* Logo Design *
Put some fun in your next logo!

Site at: http://www.artistmike.com

Uni
Aratzio wrote:
QUOTE

More and more people are getting fed
up with the sloppy work being done

by Supernews "Techies"...

Thanks, the real Aratzio.

:-)

Uni


QUOTE





in article [Email Removed], friendly fire at
[Email Removed] wrote on 07/07/2004 10:47 AM:


you lazy supernews techie noobs.,

you need customers to tell you the status of your sjeit???
...
???????????
....

give me a break!!

instead of grabbing a news proggie you wait for bloody HOURS untill
someone comes up with a msgID., SHAME ON YOU!!.,

i noticed the problem in most binaries groups.,
ITS NOT THAT HARD TO FIND!., ask a co-worker if you dont know what a
news reader is.,

frankly i'm baffled by your inability to diagnose something like
that., it should be right in your face in big red words "ALARM.,ALARM"

hey, i'm PAYING you guys to KNOW such things.,
to, at least, have knowledge of what's going on on your own servers.,.

jees.,




On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:31:00 +0200, "Brian Dickens"
<newsgroups@(remove-this-part)briandickens.demon.nl> wrote:

Hi,

it would seem Supernews is having major problems with incomplete
files. I
noticed it yesterday, but it may have been present before also.

What's going on?

=- Brian Dickens, the Netherlands





--
Got Milk? No, But Got super news!
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/supernews.html

Uni
Aratzio wrote:
QUOTE

More and more people are getting fed
up with the sloppy work being done

by Supernews "Techies"...

Have they hired any, yet?

:-)

Uni


QUOTE





in article [Email Removed], friendly fire at
[Email Removed] wrote on 07/07/2004 10:47 AM:


you lazy supernews techie noobs.,

you need customers to tell you the status of your sjeit???
...
???????????
....

give me a break!!

instead of grabbing a news proggie you wait for bloody HOURS untill
someone comes up with a msgID., SHAME ON YOU!!.,

i noticed the problem in most binaries groups.,
ITS NOT THAT HARD TO FIND!., ask a co-worker if you dont know what a
news reader is.,

frankly i'm baffled by your inability to diagnose something like
that., it should be right in your face in big red words "ALARM.,ALARM"

hey, i'm PAYING you guys to KNOW such things.,
to, at least, have knowledge of what's going on on your own servers.,.

jees.,




On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 09:31:00 +0200, "Brian Dickens"
<newsgroups@(remove-this-part)briandickens.demon.nl> wrote:

Hi,

it would seem Supernews is having major problems with incomplete
files. I
noticed it yesterday, but it may have been present before also.

What's going on?

=- Brian Dickens, the Netherlands





--
Got Milk? No, But Got super news!
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/supernews.html

Aratzio
Looks like Supernews still has not fixed
it's missing file problem yet. What is it now,
a week of missing files?

Now users are telling Supernews "techs" how to check for
missing files... as the "techs" are not be able to find missing
files themselves.

So much for Supernews "techs" ...





in article [Email Removed], [Email Removed] at
[Email Removed] wrote on 07/08/2004 7:26 AM:

QUOTE
On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 18:43:52 -0000, Andrew - Supernews
<[Email Removed]> wrote:

Still looking into this one.

While checking out ab.warez.ibm-pc, it occurred to me that the
quickest and easiest way to check for incomplete files in any
arbitrary newsgroup is to run two copies of Agent on a 20" monitor.
Point both instances of Agent at the same newsgroup but on two
different nntp servers, one at SN and the other at Big Gulp or any
other nntp server. Get all the headers and then just scroll through
the header list. Agent will show which files are incomplete on SN and
you'll instantly see the status of those files on the alternate nntp
server.


Canopus
in article [Email Removed], [Email Removed]
at [Email Removed] wrote on 07/08/2004 6:30 PM:


QUOTE
Why must it be so difficult? I really do not understand why, if a
subscriber tells you that a group exists eslewhere, that you or
someone else at SuperNews cannot add it, or post a control message
yourselves. That would be real service.

This is far too difficult.

A subscriber should not have to jump through all these hoops, and end
up feeling like an idiot.

Don;t take it personally. It's not a rant. But this is way too
frustrating. And there is no reason on earth that it should be. None

I am at a complete loss.


There should be an online form that you could fill out with the data needed
to start the newsgroup -- and then the needed "control message" would be
generated -- then either posted for you, or you could post it yourself.

But they don't do that do they. Supernews does not want to make it easy to
make newsgroups. That is just more work for them ... more newsgroups that
they have to make room for.

So naturally they don't make it easy.

On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 12:16:40 -0700, Aratzio
<[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE

Looks like Supernews still has not fixed
it's missing file problem yet.  What is it now,
a week of missing files?

Now users are telling Supernews "techs" how to check for
missing files... as the "techs" are not be able to find missing
files themselves.

So much for Supernews "techs" ...


I am the original poster of some of the messages to the Supernews tech
support newsgroup you've been clipping and cross posting.

SN tech support and I been talking about files that were missing on
July 5 and possibly one other day. The conversation has been going on
for a few days.

I can catagorically state that Supernews has not experienced anywhere
near a full week of missing files. AFAIK, SN has had this problem
roughly once a month for the past few months.

I found that the fact that SN doesn't have an automated system of
tracking the number of incomplete files, and the fact that they didn't
seem to know how to find incomplete files after being given the name
of the newsgroup was very disturbing to me.

The fact that the files are _still_ incomplete is also disturbing.
You'd think that after being alerted to the problem, SN could initiate
a part of their system that would go out and get the missing parts.
That's what I did manually by going to Big Gulp, I don't see any
reason why SN couldn't have done the same automatically.

At the very bottom of this post, I've attached the full text of the
post l uploaded to the SN support newsgroup. I included more than
just the part that complained about SN, which is what you did. I also
included the other half of my post that put the current Supernews
problem into perspective.

Supernews apparently has some ongoing problems but they're not huge
chronic problems like what AstraWeb seems to have, nor are the
problems occurring every day. There's absolutely nothing wrong with
publicizing those problems, it can only motivate SN to improve their
system. But exaggerating those problems and only cross posting half of
the posts to the support group isn't accurate and being inaccurate
probably isn't going to help.

You may have noticed that one set of the incomplete files I listed
ended up complete, something the SN tech obliquely mentioned.. That
happens sometimes, there can be propagation lag. I acknowledged my
error and then doubled checked the other incomplete files I listed,
which were still incomplete, a result I reported.

I program large embedded systems and I ABSOLUTELY HATE IT when users
send in inaccurate, incomplete or exaggerated bug reports. I try hard
not to do that, even though I accidently did. But I acknowledged my
error, posted a correction and reconfirmed the information in my
earlier bug report. I only wish all users did the same.


QUOTE
in article [Email Removed], [Email Removed] at
[Email Removed] wrote on 07/08/2004 7:26 AM:

On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 18:43:52 -0000, Andrew - Supernews
<[Email Removed]> wrote:

Still looking into this one.

While checking out ab.warez.ibm-pc, it occurred to me that the
quickest and easiest way to check for incomplete files in any
arbitrary newsgroup is to run two copies of Agent on a 20" monitor.
Point both instances of Agent at the same newsgroup but on two
different nntp servers, one at SN and the other at Big Gulp or any
other nntp server. Get all the headers and then just scroll through
the header list. Agent will show which files are incomplete on SN and
you'll instantly see the status of those files on the alternate nntp
server.

..................

Original and complete post follows:

While checking out ab.warez.ibm-pc, it occurred to me that the
quickest and easiest way to check for incomplete files in any
arbitrary newsgroup is to run two copies of Agent on a 20" monitor.
Point both instances of Agent at the same newsgroup but on two
different nntp servers, one at SN and the other at Big Gulp or any
other nntp server. Get all the headers and then just scroll through
the header list. Agent will show which files are incomplete on SN and
you'll instantly see the status of those files on the alternate nntp
server.

I just did that (BG only has 4 days retention though) and, apart from
a few minutes to download all the headers, it just took a few tens of
seconds to see the differences.

BTW, I've been using SN since January and the service has been very
good.

I've always regarded BG as the gold standard for completeness though
but the differences between the two systems isn't very much. IIRC, SN
has problems with incomplete files about once every month or so and in
every instance except one, the files were either identically
incomplete on BG, indicating a problem with the source upload, or
they were complete on BG, indicating a problem with SN. Recently it
seems BG had a problem with a full disk and the first 3/4 of CD1 of
the Seymore Butts upload were entirely missing from BG.

Canopus
in article [Email Removed], [Email Removed] at
[Email Removed] wrote on 07/09/2004 7:46 AM:


QUOTE
I found that the fact that SN doesn't have an automated system of
tracking the number of incomplete files, and the fact that they didn't
seem to know how to find incomplete files after being given the name
of the newsgroup was very disturbing to me.

The fact that the files are _still_ incomplete is also disturbing.
You'd think that after being alerted to the problem, SN could initiate
a part of their system that would go out and get the missing parts.
That's what I did manually by going to Big Gulp, I don't see any
reason why SN couldn't have done the same automatically.

Supernews apparently has some ongoing problems ...
There's absolutely nothing wrong with
publicizing those problems, it can only motivate SN to improve their
system.


I agree.

Ed
[Email Removed] wrote in news:f29te01o9jraj4d3jq58kce24g4dktdpmp@
4ax.com:

QUOTE
I found that the fact that SN doesn't have an automated system of
tracking the number of incomplete files, and the fact that they didn't
seem to know how to find incomplete files after being given the name
of the newsgroup was very disturbing to me.

I suspect that all nsps know how to do this. In fact several years ago I
posted a technique and I don't believe that any nsp said it would not
work. The issue is impact to the servers involved. With the latest
uptick on the feeds, I suspect that this extra workload could be a
problem.

There is one nsp that will do back fills for missing articles when a user
makes a request. So, we know that some admins will take the time to do
this. It's not one of the pricey nsps either. There may be more, but
I'm not aware of them.

--
Ed

http://www.geeks.org/~ed/Usenet_Servers.html
strip to reply

Gem
no worries about taking your time, I'm doing the same. :)

QUOTE
Davide
Into multimedia courses students prefer to attend 3D and/or video editing
(AVID) classes.

AVID classes were very popular here, too. Can you teach those classes, too?

QUOTE
I was constrained to speak only in english during the time they attended my
course. Anyway I enjoy this situation very much

Really? Was it because it was a common language among everyone? I would have
expected Italian.

QUOTE
I missed him and lot of other people too, Mike Senna for example. Do you
remember him?

Yes, I do remember Mike S. He started an art career and left us. :) Remember
Demitri and Michelle [poptart]? How about Georgy Girl or CPG? Tor, theDon, and
Terry Griffin? Charity? John Silver and SCG [wayne]? OakHouse Dave and Angela
Cable. and where the heck is Laura K?? i miss kitty [tho i luv brian m] and
where's colin or Andy Lamay?
hope they're all doing great!


QUOTE
I live in Varese, a small town near the Switzerland,

here?:
http://www.provincia.va.it/default.htm

do you like the winter sports then?

QUOTE
The recession effects are more evident for those involved into web design.

Seemed that way here, too. Now people want/expect you to do it all;
programming, designing, everything for miniscule money.

Two jobs should equal two paychecks, right? ;) ha.

QUOTE
very few managers are aware of the
importance of online services.

hmm. could be a profitable niche to tap into, Davide. Put together a good
proposal that shows how they will save/make money [a lot! of money] and they
may listen to you. Get yourself a team to cover anything you can't or don't
want to do and get them rolling.

QUOTE
They think about their web pages as they would think about a printed
brochure.

If you can show them any advatages of going interactive then they will see the
difference but you must show them in numbers [good financial gain with minimum
investment]

QUOTE
potential italian customers are not inclined to use
the web to do money transactions or for reservations, at least not as
american people do.

But one of the advantages of using a web site is you don't necessarily have to
be in Italy. The potential customers could be anywhere around the world. This
could open up their markets considerably. Include in your proposal all the
safeguards you can include to insure maximum security and minimum/no losses.


QUOTE
Unfortunately, In Italy at the moment is very hard to find these kind of
jobs, especially for a freelance...

Maybe a bit easier with a team or an alliance with a major design firm who's
willing to outsource the web stuff to you.
A proposal to some agencies selling yourself could be lucrative, too.

cheers, Davide!!

---Gem

On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 17:04:38 GMT, Ed <[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE
[Email Removed] wrote in news:f29te01o9jraj4d3jq58kce24g4dktdpmp@
4ax.com:

I found that the fact that SN doesn't have an automated system of
tracking the number of incomplete files, and the fact that they didn't
seem to know how to find incomplete files after being given the name
of the newsgroup was very disturbing to me.

I suspect that all nsps know how to do this.  In fact several years ago I
posted a technique and I don't believe that any nsp said it would not
work.  The issue is impact to the servers involved.  With the latest
uptick on the feeds, I suspect that this extra workload could be a
problem.

That's a good point. I hope a rep from an NSP will write a comment as
to why they don't do this as a matter of course.

Actually, what I wrote, that the incomplete files on Supernews only
occurred on one day was incorrect. The problem only occured for a few
hours (less than 6 hours, IIRC), not for an entire day.

The missing parts added up to about 1M out of a total of about 1G of
uploaded files. So extrapolating out to the 1 TB/day daily feed, that
meant that SN might have lost about 1G of data. I'm not sure if that
kind of extra load on the NSP servers or incoming bandwidth is a
practical problem, hopefully someone from an NSP will tell us.

Canopus
It's ok to change your name... really.



in article [Email Removed], J. Random Supernews User at
[Email Removed] wrote on 07/09/2004 11:52 PM:

QUOTE

Interesting story...

What is the Supernews policy on excessive morphing in order to escape
killfiles?

Is what he says about "Andrew - Supernews" true?

Path: ...supernews.com!news20.forteinc.com!not-for-mail From: "Al C."
<[Email Removed]> Newsgroups: alt.os.linux.slackware
Subject: Re: Let's morph again, like we did last summer... Date: Fri, 09 Jul
2004 21:25:00 -0700 Organization: Posted via Forte APN,
http://www.forteinc.com/apn/index.php Message-ID:
<[Email Removed]> References:
<[Email Removed]
<s2tGc.7649$[Email Removed]
<[Email Removed]> <[Email Removed]
User-Agent: KNode/0.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Complaints-To:
[Email Removed] Lines: 96


Netcop wrote:

"You can filter our users on the From line. If they morph excessively enough
to make that difficult, then a note to the X-Complaints-To address
([Email Removed]) will ensure that they lose posting privileges, usually
permanently if it was done deliberately to disrupt.

--Andrew, Supernews in <[Email Removed]

Al, You have been warned. Stop changing your email address or Supernews will
give you an ass kicking that you will never forget. This is a fight that you
can not win. Stop morphing your From: line or face the consequences. PLONK!!

BOZOS, if Al doesn't follow my orders, send complaints to [Email Removed]
and be sure to include his entire post, including all headers.

Well, it took a couple of days but here is the bottom line. Our legal folks
got in touch with the Supernews legal folks. Supernews is owned by Critical
Path which located in San Francisco  not far from us.

They do not have anything in the TOS about prohibiting clients from changing
their e-mail address or name. Critical Path knows they cannot enforce this and
they say it makes no sense to even try. People change (what is termed as
morph) their name and address for all sorts of reasons and it is not an area
that C.P. wants to get into... mainly because there is no reason to.

The "Andrew" that was quoted above is either no longer with the company or
does not speak for the company when it comes to legal interpretation of their
policy. C.P. was not sure who the "Andrew" was but they said that the
statement attributed to him was not operative.

After reviewing a number of similar issues, what it comes down to is that
people are and always have been free to change their email address and their
name at their own discretion. While some say that "morphing" to obfuscate
one's true identity could be an issue with some ISPs it has never been an
issue when the actual identity of the poster is easily discerned.

So we don't know what Netcop is talking about when he/she claims that this is
somehow against any TOS. There is no requirement that Usenet users employ the
same name and/or email address with respect to Supernews, Critical Path or any
other provider that we could find (although our search was not exhaustive.)

We corresponded with several people we consider "experts" on Usenet and to a
person they said that when users are NOT employing an anon. re-mail service
and/or they are NOT trying to obfuscate their identity, changing from one
format of a name (say IBM, Inc. to IBM Corp.) is not considered abuse and that
none of the firms that provide Usenet feeds would pursue a complaint about
someone changing names or email.

So AGAIN, we don't know what "Netcop" is talking about but having done the
research we can say with reasonable certainty that it is perfectly permissible
for people to change names and return e-mail addresses at will.

BOZOS, if Al doesn't follow my orders,

We found this phrase to be of particular interest. Exactly where does this
person assume the authority that he or she can give "orders" to anyone on this
NG or on any other NG?

Al, You have been warned. Stop changing your email address or Supernews will
give you an ass kicking that you will never forget.

Finally, we turned "Netcop's" post over to a consulting company that has a
successful record of tracking down and identifying posters like "Netcop." We
take threats like the one he/she made seriously as would anyone. If we are
able to unmask him/her, we will report back with his/her true identity so that
others might feel less intimidated should he/she make this kind of threat to
someone else.

When you threaten to kick someone ass, you need to make sure that they don't
have the resources to kick yours ten times harder. We have those resources.
It's one thing for Netcop to post his/her displeasure. We have no problem with
that. As a publishing company we are obviously in favor of a free press. But
when he/she crosses the line into intimidation, our position moves from one of
defense to offense.  One cannot negotiate with terrorists... and we won't try.

ANC Adams-Blake Company, Inc. Fair Oaks, CA


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"He" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:1exGc.22271$[Email Removed]...
QUOTE
And a wild bonus: i have sooooo many pics of Homer Simpson masturbating

Try http://www.ToonToon.com//ximpsons/index.html?

Then you could visit http://comicsorgy.COM////simpsons  for
more snaps of Maggie & Bart making incest love.

Then you could visit Http://-adult-Toons.Com///simpsons for
xtra pics of Lisa and Bart experiencing orgazms.



Inch <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:[Email Removed]...

a few gentle strokes he felt his muscles begin to tense He


pe419aa



Tiemen Ratipati
in article [Email Removed], Aratzio at
[Email Removed] wrote on 07/12/2004 5:40 PM:


QUOTE
Everyone say hi to ME,  Aratzio the Kookie Groupie of ArtistMike and Uni.
I am a fuckwit and post editing coward.


Hi Kookie Groupie Aratzio! How is it going? Are you still in love with
ArtistMike and Uni?

Tiemen Ratipati
Supernews Techs do not know what is going on...

Which one of these two goofballs is out of the loop?
Which policy is the one that is in effect today?





We really don't care if a group is inactive. As long as it has a
valid control message and was requested, it is on the list and
available for traffic.

Mark - Supernews Support



At infrequent intervals I do "sweep" the list and blow away some dead
groups, but not very often. It's a bit time-consuming to verify each one,
especially because some of them will have alpha-spam traffic or crossposts
but no real traffic. Come to think of it, I haven't done a sweep lately...

-- Jeremy, Supernews.

Kurt
In article <BD188C4B.112F16%[Email Removed]>,
Tiemen Ratipati <[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE
Supernews Techs do not know what is going on...

Which one of these two goofballs is out of the loop?
Which policy is the one that is in effect today?





We really don't care if a group is inactive.  As long as it has a
valid control message and was requested, it is on the list and
available for traffic.

Mark - Supernews Support



At infrequent intervals I do "sweep" the list and blow away some dead
groups, but not very often.  It's a bit time-consuming to verify each one,
especially because some of them will have alpha-spam traffic or crossposts
but no real traffic.  Come to think of it, I haven't done a sweep lately...

-- Jeremy, Supernews.

Giganews doesn't either. i don't think any do. There have been groups

I've seen for 10 years still up.

--
To reply by email, replace the word "space" with "renault"

On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 10:46:57 -0400, [Email Removed] wrote:

QUOTE
On Thu, 08 Jul 2004 12:16:40 -0700, Aratzio
<[Email Removed]> wrote:


Looks like Supernews still has not fixed
it's missing file problem yet.  What is it now,
a week of missing files?

Now users are telling Supernews "techs" how to check for
missing files... as the "techs" are not be able to find missing
files themselves.

So much for Supernews "techs" ...


I am the original poster of some of the messages to the Supernews tech
support newsgroup you've been clipping and cross posting.

SN tech support and I been talking about files that were missing on
July 5 and possibly one other day. The conversation has been going on
for a few days.

I can catagorically state that Supernews has not experienced anywhere
near a full week of missing files. AFAIK, SN has had this problem
roughly once a month for the past few months.

Below is the update that SN posted in their support group. AFAIK,
they're correct, there haven't been any problems with incomplete files
(other than the usual problems with the source upload) for the past
few days.

.....................

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:14:38 -0000, Andrew - Supernews
<[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE
On 2004-07-07, [Email Removed] <[Email Removed]> wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jul 2004 19:41:47 -0000, Andrew - Supernews
<[Email Removed]> wrote:
On 2004-07-07, [Email Removed] <[Email Removed]> wrote:
In alt.binaries.erotica.divx CD2 of the Seymore Butts upload, parts
18, 20 and 21 were incomplete but complete on Big Gulp.

Aha. That turned out to be _very_ useful.

BTW, there was another small set of incomplete files in
alt.binaries.erotica.divx today, July 7, at around 11am. At the moment
(5:25pm EDT), the files are still incomplete.

La prisonniere du bordel, sge-prib.r15, parts 16 and 63 were missing
and CD2 of the Seymoire Butts upload, .r42 and .r44 are incomplete.
They were complete on Big Gulp.

Just to wrap this one up:

I tracked the issue down (last week) to a problem with the history

cache on our inbound feed servers. The problem is marginal enough that
it then took several days of monitoring to be confident that it was
resolved (and we also took the opportunity to upgrade to some faster
disks for those machines).

Tiemen Ratipati
Another News Provider gets spanked in public!




in article [Email Removed], TheApostle at
[Email Removed] wrote on 07/13/2004 2:30 PM:

QUOTE
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

Glory ye on this holy date Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:53:42 -0500
It came to pass when Robb - <[Email Removed]
Hast spoken it in <[Email Removed]

Group's restored Uni;
alt.binaries.warez.ibm-pc.d,alt.binaries.sounds.utilities,alt.2600.warez,alt
binaries.news-server-comparison

Guess even when the News admins of the service begin trolling by _adding_
groups it's a pretty safe bet that the News "Provider" is the worst on
the net for harboring dangerous people.

On a lighter note, major props to you Robb for blowing your "privacy policy"
out of the water by dragging "e"'s abuse letter to you in here.  I shall
remember to bring that up _at_ every instance when a potential customer
comes in here looking for a news provider.  Now, how about answering my
question about the UFF's account sharing since you have no problems
disregarding privacy policies.

OTOH, I guess it's alright for you to claim ignorance now for all the abusive
actions being done by the nym-shifting, sporging, stalking, threatening,
lets break ever AUP agreement but sharesecrets.com, UFF.  I mean really, most
providers think that when someone does something which could be considered
illegal they should act.

I hope for your sake you never get under their skin Robb.  'Cause there sure
will be a lot of people ignoring you when they start going after your family,
your kids, your business.  Thanks for insightful information.. It was really
vaulable.  I shall endeavor to _pass_ it on.


Davide Montellanico
"Gem" <[Email Removed]> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:[Email Removed]...
QUOTE
no worries about taking your time, I'm doing the same. :)

Davide
Into multimedia courses students prefer to attend 3D and/or video editing
(AVID) classes.

AVID classes were very popular here, too. Can you teach those classes,
too?


No, I attended a brief course many years ago but I have no experience with
AVID.
I prefer to follow one route only. I think it's more serious because today
you have to be very qualified if you want to get some working opportunity.

QUOTE

I was constrained to speak only in english during the time they attended
my
course. Anyway I enjoy this situation very much

Really? Was it because it was a common language among everyone? I would
have
expected Italian.

Almost common. The italian students ask me to speak in english during my
course to speed up the explanations and don't spend the time needed for two
different language audiences. Anyaway they were no problem at all and the
students understood my english well enough.

QUOTE
I missed him and lot of other people too, Mike Senna for example. Do you
remember him?

Yes, I do remember Mike S. He started an art career and left us. :)
Remember
Demitri and Michelle [poptart]? How about Georgy Girl or CPG? Tor, theDon,
and
Terry Griffin? Charity? John Silver and SCG [wayne]? OakHouse Dave and
Angela
Cable. and where the heck is Laura K?? i miss kitty [tho i luv brian m]
and
where's colin or Andy Lamay?
hope they're all doing great!


I live in Varese, a small town near the Switzerland,

here?:
http://www.provincia.va.it/default.htm

Yes, this is the website of the province. I'm glad you have found it ;-)
It's an ugly website... don't you think?


QUOTE
do you like the winter sports then?

When I was a child *six-eight years old* I practiced ski. Now no more.
I prefer other kinds of sports: swimming, trecking, sailing, jogging.
I like all the sports that are related with the water.

QUOTE
The recession effects are more evident for those involved into web
design.

Seemed that way here, too. Now people want/expect you to do it all;
programming, designing, everything for miniscule money.

I think they can't get the best in this way because it's very hard to find
someone who works in these different fields with the same high professional
level.

QUOTE
Two jobs should equal two paychecks, right? ;) ha.

You are right. This year I refuse to reduce my estimate prices and I missed
two works. Anyway I don't mind. Firstly it's a matter of ethical
professional behavior and secondly a matter of justice and equity.

QUOTE
very few managers are aware of the
importance of online services.

hmm. could be a profitable niche to tap into, Davide. Put together a good
proposal that shows how they will save/make money [a lot! of money] and
they
may listen to you. Get yourself a team to cover anything you can't or
don't
want to do and get them rolling.

Yes, I know I'm not very experienced at how to get a new client :-(
I read all the Dan Turner's web pages about this topic, but I have to put
all of this into real life.

QUOTE
They think about their web pages as they would think about a printed
brochure.

If you can show them any advatages of going interactive then they will see
the
difference but you must show them in numbers [good financial gain with
minimum
investment]

That's a good idea. I will try to use it the next time. I can produce a case
study complete with numbers that pointed them out all the advantages after a
website redesign. Thanks for that Gem!

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potential italian customers are not inclined to use
the web to do money transactions or for reservations, at least not as
american people do.

But one of the advantages of using a web site is you don't necessarily
have to
be in Italy. The potential customers could be anywhere around the world.
This
could open up their markets considerably. Include in your proposal all the
safeguards you can include to insure maximum security and minimum/no
losses.


I would like a lot to work for a foreign company. I thought to visit the
French Consolate and ask them to give me some advice about this topic. What
do you think? Could it works?


QUOTE
Unfortunately, In Italy at the moment is very hard to find these kind of
jobs, especially for a freelance...

Maybe a bit easier with a team or an alliance with a major design firm
who's
willing to outsource the web stuff to you.
A proposal to some agencies selling yourself could be lucrative, too.

Thanks for your suggestions Gem!




QUOTE
cheers, Davide!!

---Gem


Kiss kiss :-)

--
Davide

Cereus-validus
You stupid masturbator.

Lisa Simpson is a two dimensional cartoon character not a real person.

What's the matter, PeeWee, is Jessica Rabbit too much animation for you?

DesignGuy
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Osama Bin Ladin was found hanged by two CNN journalists early Wedensday
evening.  As evidence they took several photos, some of which i have

included here. As yet, this information has not hit the headlines due to
Bush wanting confirmation of his identity but the journalists have released
some early photos over the internet..

The referenced file contains BackDoor.Hackarmy.AN. Must be a new one; my AVG
ant-virus at first didn't detect it, until I download a newer definition
file update.

Matt Bostock
Post a binary on a non-binary group and you'll find a flying fish headed
in your direction ;) Please refrain from posting attachments... post a
URL! :)

Matt


Bob wrote:

Muzafar
Did anyone of you who are PayPal users get a:

"Notice of Pendency of Class Action and Proposed Settlement" email??

Most importantly is it legal and for real??

It says:

1. WHY DID I GET THIS NOTICE?
You have been sent this Notice because the records of PayPal, Inc.
indicate you are a current or former PayPal account holder. This means
you may be eligible to receive a payment from the proposed class action
settlement in the lawsuit In re PayPal Litigation, Case No. 02 1227 JF
PVT, pending in the United States District Court for the Northern
District of California in San Jose. This Notice provides a summary of
the terms of the proposed settlement. It also explains the lawsuit, your
legal rights under the settlement, what benefits are available to you
under the settlement, and how to get them.


3. WHAT IS THIS LAWSUIT ABOUT?
In early 2002, Plaintiffs Roberta Toher and Jeffrey Resnick filed
separate lawsuits against PayPal, Inc. These two cases were later
consolidated into one lawsuit in the United States District Court for
the Northern District of California, San Jose Division, entitled In re
PayPal Litigation, Case No. CV 02 01227-JF (PVT). The lawsuit alleges
that PayPal violated the federal Electronic Fund Transfer Act ("EFTA"),
15 U.S.C. 1693 et seq., including provisions requiring PayPal to
supply customers with information about dispute resolution procedures
and to follow certain procedures when investigating complaints of
unauthorized or incorrect electronic fund transfers. For example, the
lawsuit claims that PayPal did not provide account statements in the
manner required by the EFTA. The lawsuit further alleges that PayPal has
placed inappropriate restrictions or other limits on customers' accounts
and engaged in other improper practices. Based on these practices, the
lawsuit asserts claims under California state law for conversion, money
had and received, negligence, and violations of consumer protection
statutes.

PayPal does not believe that it did anything wrong. In fact, PayPal
disputes that the EFTA, originally passed in 1978, applies to its
business. PayPal denies any and all liability for the claims alleged in
the lawsuit. The Court did not decide in favor of the Plaintiffs or
PayPal. Instead, beginning in the fall of 2003, the parties began a
series of settlement negotiation sessions mediated by United States
Magistrate Judge Edward Infante. Eventually, in November 2003, both
sides agreed to a settlement in principle. By settling their claims,
both parties avoided the uncertainty and cost of a trial. The settlement
provides money and other benefits to the Class. On June 11, 2004, the
parties entered into a formal, written Settlement Agreement, which is on
file with the Court and available on the Internet at
https://www.paypal.com/settlement/. By entering into the Settlement
Agreement, PayPal is not admitting any wrongdoing. PayPal continues to
believe that it did not do anything wrong. The Representative Plaintiffs
and the attorneys appointed by the Court to represent the Class believe
that the settlement is fair to Class Members. By this notice, the Court
is not expressing any view on the merits of the lawsuit.


Can anyone inteprete to me, in lay man's term?? Pepe???



Mezza


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