"Mike..." <[Email Removed]> wrote in news:BC9FFF00.F36A2%
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No problem. Nice that you know quality when you see it. |
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Good, then move on. |
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I do enjoy it when my groupies start writing like me. |
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in article [email protected], Poik at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/12/2004 4:39 AM: You spin any faster "net Toy" you will fly. ":^) right, trying |
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in article [Email Removed], Aratzio at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/12/2004 8:02 AM: Having a spammer like ArtistMike frog me is probably the most 3rd or 4th lamest thing he has done. The post edits are probably the lamest and the massive amount of sock puppets he requires to carry on 3rd person discussions about himself would be 2nd. Using the 'Tard as a supporter and frogging me is a toss-up for lameness. Lying and context snips are a distant 5th & 6th lamest things our Spammer has done. I like it when groupies keep track of my lameness. hahahaha. |
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ArtistMike the Spammer talking to his own Sock about writing to his own Ass!!!!! |
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in article [email protected], Poik at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/12/2004 4:43 AM: Is there some reason I should care what you think? Nope. Good, then you are dismissed. ":^) I understand how frustrated you are, but spammers like you get what they deserve. Filtered by supernews. hahahaha. You get what you deserve when you agree to have your newsgroups filtered by Supernews. Namely, censored newsgroups. ":^) |
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"Mike..." <[Email Removed]> wrote in news:BC9FFF00.F36A2% [Email Removed]: No problem. Nice that you know quality when you see it. I love such a quality website!!!! Please do continue to show me more!!!! |
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Obviously not. Because you see my messages. hahaha. |
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my lameness. |
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And the really cool thing for supernews users Lots of Spam from Poik. |
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in article [email protected], Poik at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/12/2004 8:29 AM: ArtistMike the Spammer talking to his own Sock about writing to his own Ass!!!!! I do enjoy your confusion. |
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in article [email protected], Poik at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/12/2004 8:30 AM: "Mike..." <[Email Removed]> wrote in news:BC9FFF00.F36A2% [Email Removed]: No problem. Nice that you know quality when you see it. I love such a quality website!!!! Please do continue to show me more!!!! http://www.artistmike.com/smallart.html |
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in article [email protected], Poik at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/12/2004 8:38 AM: my lameness. Don't feel too bad, I don't notice your limp hardly at all. ":^) |
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And the really cool thing for supernews users Lots of Spam from ArtistMike. Nice that you admit what you are doing. The Truth will set you free. |
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Willem <gaatjenietaan@notvalid@ac> wrote: You keep denying you actually said they are by him but also you keep suggesting it. If you don't have proof or don't want to present proof, you have no reason to keep bringing them up in relation to Mike and the reason you blocked him. If you're just going to keep on misrepresenting the things I say so you'll have something to attack (cf. "straw man argument") then I see little point in carrying on this conversation. So I'll try saying the same thing yet again: those posts were *not* the reason he was blocked, and at no point did I ever claim that they were. If you can't understand that after my having said it over and over, then, whatever, carry on. |
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"Rebecca Ore" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message news:[Email Removed]... If you were being filtered, you could have discussed it with Supernews and your ISP. If you were being forged, you could file abuse reports with the forgers' ISP. Did this as did many others and he got kicked from his ISP. But still being filtered by supernews. |
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"Willem" <gaatjenietaan@notvalid@ac> writes: Rebecca Ore <[Email Removed]> wrote news:[Email Removed] "Willem" <gaatjenietaan@notvalid@ac> writes: You're either another sock or you're naive. Or I have a different view as an outsider who has read about Supernews blocking for urls. O, and I believe in the truth about a person even if he is a dickhead. If it's naive to be against "anything is allowed because it's just him", yes then I am naive. Basically, Mike has habitually posted just his url various places (or his socks have). Check the user agent for some of these pro-Mike posts. They're all the same, and they're all posting from Astraweb, which doesn't have a very good reputation for being strict against spam (see Spam Hippo reports). You've naive if you haven't checked that much out and believe someone with lots of socks over a news team that has in the past defended some fairly heavy duty trolls against the people exaggerating claims against them. I peered with Supernews and had a user who was sending joke control messages in very small numbers. Supernews didn't come down on him, even though there was history between Jeremy and the user. And you're trying to tell me that they're going to lose their objectivity in ArtistMike's case when they didn't in cases that involved a man who had tried to hack Nixon's home machine (and talked about it years later here)? How naive do you think I think you are? |
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On 2004-04-11, Willem <gaatjenietaan@notvalid> wrote: Jeremy, if you don't want people to draw conclusions from your words, you should be careful with them. You suggest and imply too much. This time you point Mike out as a newsgroup disrupter, but isn't this group full of them? Zimphire posts from Supernews too, who draws the line and where I wonder. Haven't you ever heard the response "use a killfile" as a solution to dealing with people you disagree with on Usenet? |
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The flip side of that argument is that if you're going to argue in favour of killfiles as a solution, then you need to ensure that they actually _work_. So, we have a large tolerance for behaviour that can be trivially handled with a killfile entry, but a small tolerance for anything which can not: e.g. nymshifting, abusive use of crossposting or followup-to to flood a group with unexpected posts, or similar tactics. |
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Willem <gaatjenietaan@notvalid@ac> wrote: But he is not doing it from Supernews.. if it is him. So it is irrelevant. Unless you mean he did the same thing from Supernews and that is why he got blocked. No, that's not what I mean. What I said was that his behavior *would be* a violation *if* done from Supernews. The relevance is that this won't make us inclined to want him posting from our system. |
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Jeremy, if you don't want people to draw conclusions from your words, you should be careful with them. You suggest and imply too much. This time you point Mike out as a newsgroup disrupter, but isn't this group full of them? Zimphire posts from Supernews too, who draws the line and where I wonder. I prefer to draw the line well away from the gray area, erring on the side of leniency. But in practice I'm happy to leave that stuff up to the abuse department. |
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"Willem" <gaatjenietaan@notvalid@ac> wrote in news:4079b61f$0$85207$c3e8da3 @news.astraweb.com: You may be the single thickest maroon in the whole mess. You are supporting someone who has to resort to sockpuppets and froggery. |
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Our abuse manager could remove the block tomorrow, for all I care. I wouldn't try to stop him. |
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 23:16:39 +0200, Willem <gaatjenietaan@notvalid> wrote: I think you should, and Andrew too. It's not about one person called Mike. It's about fairness and a trustworthy abuse policy. Supernews have exactly such a policy, which is one reason why I personally entrust my Usenet access to them, despite having free access to a number of other Usenet services at various sites. |
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Willem <gaatjenietaan@notvalid@ac> wrote: Seems everyone knows that for a fact in here. Strange. "Everyone" amounts to one person posting under multiple names, who chooses to lie, and to continually claim I have said things that I clearly have not said. |
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"Jeremy Nixon - Supernews" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message news:[Email Removed]... Jackie <[Email Removed]> wrote: Got any evidence that "MIke" is doing the spamming? Or is it just silly people using his email address? It's a vast conspiracy against you, is it? Well, I can certainly see how you'd end up with enemies, I'll grant you that much. Jeremy | [Email Removed] I think mike is a real prick, and I still think he is correct, as you have done it to me as well. LP |
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Jeremy Nixon - Supernews <[Email Removed]> wrote Our abuse manager could remove the block tomorrow, for all I care. I wouldn't try to stop him. Why not tell him to do it and be done with this. |
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All these fixed opinions from all sides about corrupt newsproviders and prehistoric faqs and facts don't really seem aimed towards resolving the matter. Calling people liars and morons and misrepresenting things doesn't help either. WJ |
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Anthony Edwards <[Email Removed]> wrote news:[Email Removed] On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 23:16:39 +0200, Willem <gaatjenietaan@notvalid> wrote: I think you should, and Andrew too. It's not about one person called Mike. It's about fairness and a trustworthy abuse policy. Supernews have exactly such a policy, which is one reason why I personally entrust my Usenet access to them, despite having free access to a number of other Usenet services at various sites. I see too many cases of users being blocked and not getting an answer from Supernews when they ask why. Any spammer or troll on Supernews seems to get his way when they want to set another user up by posting with their nick. WJ Post proof or be called a liar again. Making bald accusation like that |
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Jeremy Nixon - Supernews <[Email Removed]> wrote news:[Email Removed] Willem <gaatjenietaan@notvalid@ac> wrote: Seems everyone knows that for a fact in here. Strange. "Everyone" amounts to one person posting under multiple names, who chooses to lie, and to continually claim I have said things that I clearly have not said. No, "everyone" amounts to the majority of flamers, lamers and trolls in this newsgroup who support Supernews in this matter. Now you are putting words in _my_ mouth too. WJ |
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Lord Pander <[Email Removed]> wrote news:[Email Removed] "Jeremy Nixon - Supernews" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message news:[Email Removed]... Jackie <[Email Removed]> wrote: Got any evidence that "MIke" is doing the spamming? Or is it just silly people using his email address? It's a vast conspiracy against you, is it? Well, I can certainly see how you'd end up with enemies, I'll grant you that much. Jeremy | [Email Removed] I think mike is a real prick, and I still think he is correct, as you have done it to me as well. LP I also think he is telling the truth. WJ |
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"Willem" <gaatjenietaan@notvalid@ac> wrote in news:407ace76$0$13919 $[Email Removed]: Mike wrote he hadn't been spamming, your reply to him was to quote fake spam messages that "speak for themselves" and "are not forged". Of course you never did answer the question about which came first the filter or the forgery. Why is that? |
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I see too many cases of users being blocked and not getting an answer from Supernews when they ask why. |
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All these fixed opinions from all sides about corrupt newsproviders and prehistoric faqs and facts don't really seem aimed towards resolving the matter. Calling people liars and morons and misrepresenting things doesn't help either. |
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Someone else made the forgeries and posted them through Supernews, after I was blocked. |
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Poik <[Email Removed]> wrote news:[email protected] "Willem" <gaatjenietaan@notvalid@ac> wrote in news:407ace76$0$13919 $[Email Removed]: Mike wrote he hadn't been spamming, your reply to him was to quote fake spam messages that "speak for themselves" and "are not forged". Of course you never did answer the question about which came first the filter or the forgery. Why is that? The question is why Supernews brought them up as "non-forged material speaking for itself". Don't wait for me to respond to all your other little snaps. Your attempts to play a sharp contributor to the subject might look a little less silly if at least your system clock was set to the right time :-) WJ |
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Mike... <[Email Removed]> wrote: Someone else made the forgeries and posted them through Supernews, after I was blocked. So you now admit that you were lying when you claimed you were blocked based on the forgeries? |
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Poik <[Email Removed]> wrote news:[email protected] "Willem" <gaatjenietaan@notvalid@ac> wrote in news:407ace76$0$13919 $[Email Removed]: Mike wrote he hadn't been spamming, your reply to him was to quote fake spam messages that "speak for themselves" and "are not forged". Of course you never did answer the question about which came first the filter or the forgery. Why is that? The question is why Supernews brought them up as "non-forged material speaking for itself". Don't wait for me to respond to all your other little snaps. Your attempts to play a sharp contributor to the subject might look a little less silly if at least your system clock was set to the right time :-) WJ As for "sharp contributor" at least I do not have to make up lies for my |
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Someone else made the forgeries and posted them through Supernews, after I was blocked. |
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Mike... <[Email Removed]> wrote: Someone else made the forgeries and posted them through Supernews, after I was blocked. So you now admit that you were lying when you claimed you were blocked based on the forgeries? |
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Willem <gaatjenietaan@notvalid@ac> wrote: I'm not the one trying to move the goal posts. Supernews itself says he wasn't blocked for spamming. I said no such thing, liar. |
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Willem <gaatjenietaan@notvalid@ac> wrote: But, it seems Supernews itself pulled fake Mike posts from Google to present them as a case in point of his wrongdoing. I pulled them from our server, actually. I don't have the message-ids anymore, and I don't feel like digging through this thread for them. But it doesn't really matter -- just do a Google search for Mike's posts and it's quite obvious he's a spammer. |
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What part of ArtistMike being a spammer has blown right by you? |
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"Willem" <gaatjenietaan@notvalid@ac> wrote in news:407ad2ca$0$13903 $[Email Removed]: Anthony Edwards <[Email Removed]> wrote news:[Email Removed] On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 23:16:39 +0200, Willem <gaatjenietaan@notvalid> wrote: I think you should, and Andrew too. It's not about one person called Mike. It's about fairness and a trustworthy abuse policy. Supernews have exactly such a policy, which is one reason why I personally entrust my Usenet access to them, despite having free access to a number of other Usenet services at various sites. I see too many cases of users being blocked and not getting an answer from Supernews when they ask why. Any spammer or troll on Supernews seems to get his way when they want to set another user up by posting with their nick. WJ Post proof or be called a liar again. Making bald accusation like that are meat and potatoes for apologists like yourself. You figure you say it loud enough and long enough people will believe you. So post proof. |
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You posted them and claimed they would "speak for themselves". Too bad they were forgeries and posted after I was blocked from your system. |
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"Willem" <gaatjenietaan@notvalid@ac> wrote in news:407ad2cb$0$13903 $[Email Removed]: Jeremy Nixon - Supernews <[Email Removed]> wrote news:[Email Removed] Willem <gaatjenietaan@notvalid@ac> wrote: Seems everyone knows that for a fact in here. Strange. "Everyone" amounts to one person posting under multiple names, who chooses to lie, and to continually claim I have said things that I clearly have not said. No, "everyone" amounts to the majority of flamers, lamers and trolls in this newsgroup who support Supernews in this matter. Now you are putting words in _my_ mouth too. WJ And yet you never quite get the fact that most of the people in this group have NO vested interest in Supernews. |
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in article [Email Removed], Jeremy Nixon - Supernews at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/12/2004 11:34 AM: Willem <gaatjenietaan@notvalid@ac> wrote: I'm not the one trying to move the goal posts. Supernews itself says he wasn't blocked for spamming. I said no such thing, liar. My my... such a professional attitude. I am sure your company is impressed. Are you sure you want the world to see you react -- to simple questions about how you are running Supernews? hahahaha. |
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A nym shifting, frogging spammer is more believable than one of the best known, reliable, honest NSP in the business. |
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Willem <gaatjenietaan@notvalid@ac> wrote: All these fixed opinions from all sides about corrupt newsproviders and prehistoric faqs and facts don't really seem aimed towards resolving the matter. Calling people liars and morons and misrepresenting things doesn't help either. I call you a liar because you are a liar. |
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Jeremy Nixon - Supernews <[Email Removed]> wrote news:[Email Removed] Spam? Of course not. It's perfectly fine to have a link in your signature. There is currently an idiot calling himself "Mike" who says that we have a problem with it, but he is lying. |
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Sorry to see you whining about it. |
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in article [email protected], Poik at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/12/2004 10:53 AM: What part of ArtistMike being a spammer has blown right by you? The part where you present your evidence. |