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Mezza





@ . wrote:
QUOTE
WTF does this have to do with alt.design.graphics?????  How many newsgroups
did you spam this to?

mark | r <[Email Removed]> says...

i have a customer who wants to have "a program that surfs the net and
downloads all the uk address details into an act database" ive never heard
of such a thing, anyone else know of one?


Tell your spammer "friend" that nobody here is going to help him to
harvest email adresses.

alt.design.graphics


Muzafar
Mark,


You lucky bastard



Regards

Mezza



mark | r wrote:

QUOTE
wow thanks :)

mark
"Matt Bostock" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:c6rel7$f5eel$[Email Removed]...

PS I should have made myself clearer, I hadn't realised that Mark had
cross-posted. Mark is a regular and respected member of

alt.design.graphics,

and is a graphic designer; hence his post to ADG.

Sorry for the misunderstanding,
Matt
--
Banging your head against a wall uses 150 calories an hour.


< @ . > wrote in message news:[Email Removed]...

WTF does this have to do with alt.design.graphics?????  How many

newsgroups

did you spam this to?

mark | r <[Email Removed]> says...

i have a customer who wants to have "a program that surfs the net and
downloads all the uk address details into an act database" ive never

heard

of such a thing, anyone else know of one?

Tell your spammer "friend" that nobody here is going to help him to
harvest email adresses.

alt.design.graphics



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Muzafar
OR even better,

Mark, you can suggest that he do a website that introduces whatever the
hell he/she is selling/promoting.

From then on, have a membership drive exercise within the site.
Thus, genuine potential customers can decide for themselves,its cliche.
but then again . . . .




Mezza






iehsmith wrote:

QUOTE
On 4/29/04 1:09 PM, mark | r uttered:


"Rafal 'Raf256' Maj" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

[Email Removed] news:40912a2d$0$10694$[Email Removed]


i have a customer who wants to have "a program that surfs the net and
downloads all the uk address details into an act database" ive never
i suggested using ukinfodisk or something like that but he's not sold
on the idea.

its not for spamming, he's employing a telesales person, which i suppose is
even more annoying!

mark





Mark, sounds like your client is trying to get around buying a call list,
but I think he would end up losing time and money taking this route. Seems
to me he'd end up with tons of pure junk data; and completely unqualified
at that; and his telesales person would spend hours on bad information and
calling people who have absolutely no interest, unless he has something that
every man, woman and child can use and afford.

He's probably better off finding a reputable list seller.

inez


Matt Bostock
lol.

Matt
--
Banging your head against a wall uses 150 calories an hour.


"mark | r" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
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QUOTE
wow thanks :)

mark
"Matt Bostock" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:c6rel7$f5eel$[Email Removed]...
PS I should have made myself clearer, I hadn't realised that Mark had
cross-posted. Mark is a regular and respected member of
alt.design.graphics,
and is a graphic designer; hence his post to ADG.

Sorry for the misunderstanding,
Matt
--
Banging your head against a wall uses 150 calories an hour.


< @ . > wrote in message news:[Email Removed]...

WTF does this have to do with alt.design.graphics?????  How many
newsgroups
did you spam this to?

mark | r <[Email Removed]> says...

i have a customer who wants to have "a program that surfs the net and
downloads all the uk address details into an act database" ive never
heard
of such a thing, anyone else know of one?

Tell your spammer "friend" that nobody here is going to help him to
harvest email adresses.

alt.design.graphics



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TheOne&Only \":^)
Just something that is going around Usenet ...




PHOTOSHOP TIPS and TRICKS


1) STEP-AND-REPEAT: Photoshop's Edit>Free Transform command (Mac:
Command-T [PC: Control-T]) offers some additional keyboard shortcuts for
"step-and-repeat" functions that can be very useful:

a. To make the same transformation again, for an additive effect or
with a different layer targeted, Transform Again by pressing MAC:
Command-Shift-T (PC: Control-Shift-T).

b. To make a new copy and transform the copy, press MAC:
Command-Option-Shift-T (PC: Control-Alt-Shift-T.


2) RESET CHARACTER: Photoshop CS remembers whatever settings you last
used to format type. To quickly reset Photoshop's type to it's "default"
standard settings, just go to the Character palette and choose Reset
Character from the palette's pop-down menu.


3) CYCLE THROUGH ALL OPEN EOCUMENTS: Press Control-Tab (both Mac and
PC) multiple times to cycle through all the documents that are currently
open


4) ALL-CHANGE MODE: Hold SHIFT when clicking the Full-Screen Mode icon
at the bottom of the Toolbox to change the mode of all the open documents.


5) ADD A LAYER BELOW THE ACTIVE LAYER: Mac: Command-Click (PC:
Right-click) the New Layer icon at the bottom of the Layers Palette to add a
layer below the active one.


6) ADD, TAKE AWAY, OR INTERSECT A SELECTION: You can Mac: Command-Click
(PC: Control-Click) on a path, channel, or layer to load it as a selection.
Hold Shift to add to an active selection, Mac: Option (PC: Alt) to take
away, and Mac: Shift-Option (PC: Shift-Alt) to intersect it.


7) WHERE'S THE IMAGE?: Sorry PC users, but there doesn't seem to be an
equivalent for this Mac shortcut. Command-click on the file name that
appears at the top of your document to see where the image is stored on your
hard drive. Release your mouse button when it's on the folder name and then
that folder will open in the Finder. OK. Here's one that's unique to
Windows: Press F twice to enter Full Screen Mode and your menus will
disappear. On the Mac you're out of luck, but in Windows click the small
triangle that now appears at the top of the Toolbox and you'll get a pop-p
with all menus.


8) WORKING WITH GUIDES: Hold Mac: Option (PC: Alt) to change the
direction of the guide (horizontal/vertical), hold Shift to snap it to the
tick marks of your ruler, and hold Mac: Command (PC: Control) to move a
guide when using a tool other than the Move tool. Hold the Mac: Control key
(PC: Right-click) after you start to drag something (guide, selection,
layer, etc.) to prevent it from snapping to other objects.


9) OEN AN IMAGE, CLOSE THE FILE BROWSER: If you double-click on an
image in the File Browser, the File Browser remains open. To close the File
Browser as you open an image, hold down Mac: Option (PC: Alt) as you
double-click on the image in the File Browser.


10) PICK COLOR FROM ANYWHERE: You can use the Eyedropper tool to pick
colours from all areas of your screen (not just an active document). Just
click within a document first, and then drag outside of the window onto the
object you'd like to sample.


11) HIGHLIGHT YOUR MAGNIFICATION: To experiment with different
magnification settings (either at the bottom left-hand corner of your image
window or in the Navigator palette), type in a new magnification percentage,
and then hold down the Shift key as your press Enter. Now the percentage
stays highlighted so you can quickly enter a different percentage.


12) USE CUSTOM SHAPES TO MASK ADJUSTMENT LAYERS: To create an Adjustment
Layer using a Shape Mask (as opposed to a pixel-based mask), try this: Add a
Custom Shape layer to your document. Go under Layer>Change Layer Content to
pick the adjustment your want. Now the Adjustment Layer will be masked by
the custom vector shape. If you need to apply filters to the Shape Mask,
you'll have to convert it to a pixel-based mask by rasterizing the vector
mask.


13) HANG THE PUNCTUATION: If you use quotation marks in your paragraph
type, make typographers happy with this technique. From the Paragraph
palette's pop-up menu, choose Roman Hanging Punctuation. This will cause
punctuation marks to appear just outside the boundaries of the paragraph
text box.


14) SLIDE SHOW: To create a "slide show" that you control manually in CS,
follow these steps. With all the documents open, hold down the Shift key and
click on the Full Screen Mode button at the bottom of the toolbox. (You may
have to press Mac: Command-+ or - (PC: Control-+ or -) to zoom in or out to
get the ideal magnification).


15) CREATE CUSTOM SHAPES: You can create and save custom paths for use with
the Custom Shape tool - for example, company logos, even copyright info,
anything that you can define with a path. Create a path from the artwork or
type (or copy and paste from a vector program) and then use the command
Edit>Define Custom Shape.


16) SAVE SETS: Remember that simply creating a Custom Shape (or Style)
doesn't save it. From the Custom Shape Picker's pop-up menu, choose Save
Shapes. Alternatively, use the Presets Manager (opened through the Edit
menu) to create a saved set.


17) CLONE ON AN EMPTY LAYER: Always do your cloning on an empty layer and
leave your Background layer intact. Remember to check the "Use All Layers"
box in the Options bar.


18) SAVE DEFAULTS IN SHADOW/HIGHLIGHT: The default settings in the
Shadow/Highlight command may be to your liking - or you may find yourself
changing them all the time. To make the defaults your own, click on the Show
More Options button, then adjust the settings to your choice for defaults,
then click the Save as Defaults button.


19) LOWER THE NUMBER OF HISTORY STATES: If you routinely work on very large
images, you may find the PS slows down considerably. This may be due to the
number of History States you have PS remembering. In the General Preferences
window, lower the number of History States from the default of 20.


20) FIND THE CENTER: To find the centre of the contents of the Layer,
choose View>Show Rulers and then call up Free Transform by hitting Mac:
Command-T (PC: Control-T). While the Free Transform Rectangle is visible,
you can drag guides out of the Rulers and they will "snap to" the grabber
handles and centre point. Be sure to hit the ESC key to dismiss the Free
Transform rectangle without making any changes.




(21-40)



21) WANNA LIGHTEN OR DARKEN AN AREA IN YOUR IMAGE? To lighten or darken an
area of a photograph, make a selection around the problem area with a
feathered edge. Press MAC: Command-J (PC: Control-J) to turn the selection
into a layer. Change the Blend Mode to Screen or Multiply and adjust the
Opacity in the Layers palette to correct the area. Multiply Mode will darken
and Screen Mode will lighten the area while protecting the contrast of the
affected area.



22a) GET RID OF FRINGE PIXELS, TAKE 1: Sometimes when your combine multiple
images for a collage, you see a slight fringe around the edges of layers
that are copied from other images. In many cases you can remove that fringe
by going to Layers>Matting>Defringe. Try using the default setting of 1.
That will often do the trick, but if not, choose Undo (from the Edit menu)
and go back and try a Defringe setting of 2.



b) GET RID OF FRINGE PIXELS, TAKE 2: If defringe doesn't work, or the edges
end up looking a little jagged, here's another alternative to Defringe. MAC:
Command-Click (PC: Control-click) on the layer name in the Layers palette to
load a selection of the contents of the layer. Then from the Select menu,
choose Modify>Contract and contract by 1-3 pixels. Go back to the Select
menu and choose inverse. Press MAC: Command-H (PC: Control-H) to hide your
selection then add a very slight Gaussian Blur (Filter>Blur>Gaussian Blur)
of 1 pixel or less.



c) GET RID OF THE FRINGE PIXELS, TAKE 3: Here's another variation on the
same theme. MAC: Command-click (PC: Control-click) on the layer name in the
Layers palette to load a selection of the contents of the layer. Then from
the Select menu, choose Modify>Border and enter 2 for the value. In the
layers palette, switch to the Background layer, then press MAC: Command-J
(PC: Control-J) to copy the selected area on to its own layer. Move the
"border layer" above the fringed layer and change the mode to Lighten to
hide a light colored fringe, Darken to hide a dark fringe.



23) REMEMBER MORE FILES: By default, PS remembers the last 10 files you've
opened. Actually, that's not quite true: it remembers 30 files but only
shows the last 10 because that's the default preference. To see a list of
the last 30 files you worked on, press MAC: Command-K (PC: Control-K) to
open Preferences, and then press the Next button to go to the File Handling
dialogue. At the bottom you'll see that the "Recent file list contains" box
is set to 10. Change that to 30 and you'll have a nice long list under
File>Open Recent.



24) PAINT AWAY COLOR: When you're working on a color image, you can use the
Brush tool to selectively "paint away" color so that the image looks black
and white. Whit the Brush tool active, go to the Options Bar and change the
Blending mode from Normal to Color, use Black as your Foreground color, and
start "painting away" the color.



25) NAVIGATION WHILE IN DIALOGS: Even when you're working in dialogs such as
Levels, or in most filters, you can still access most of the View menu
features. This enables you to navigate within your document, change your
views, and toggle rulers on and off, etc. while the dialog is open. You can
also press MAC: Command-+ or - (PC: Control-+ or -) to zoom in and out, or
use the Spacebar to activate the Hand tool to scroll your view.



26) ACCESSING GRAYED OUT FILTERS IN CMYK: If you're working in CMYK mode,
you'll notice that many of the filters are "grayed" out in the Filter menu,
so you cannot access them. Rather than converting to RGB, which could affect
the colors, try this: go to the Channels palette and click on the CYAN
channel. Now look in the Filter menu and you'll see that all filters are
available. All you have to do is apply the same filter to all four channels,
one at a time. To do this quickly apply the filter to the CYAN channel, then
press MAC: Command-2 (PC: Control-2) to activate the Magenta channel, and
MAC: Command-F (PC: Control-F) to reapply the same filter. Press Command-3,
Command-F for the Yellow channel then Command-4, Command-F to apply it to
the Black channel. (One note: this doesn't work as well with "random"
filters such as Render Clouds).



27) IMAGE TOO LARGE TO SCAN?: Got an image that's too large to scan in one
piece? Simply scan each half, making sure that there is a significant
overlap between the pieces (for example, include the same person or portion
of the same building in each scan). Then open both halves and use
File>Automat>Photomerge to automatically stitch the two halves together.



28) QUICKLY MAKE WHITE YOUR BACKGROUND COLOR: Just press the letters "d" and
"y" and your Foreground color will instantly be white.



29) CHANGE OPACITY FROM YOUR KEYBOARD: For any tool that has a slider for
Opacity (or Strength, Exposure, or Tolerance), don't bother going to the
Options Bar to change the setting. Just press the first number of the
percentage you want: for example, 1 for 10%, 8 for 80%, etc. Use 0 for 100%.
If the Move tool is selected, the same key strokes will change the opacity
of your active layer (as long as the Layers palette is floating - it will
not work if the palette is docked).



30) BETTER GRAYSCALE CONVERSIONS: Using the Channel Mixer is a great way to
convert a color image to grayscale, but it does take some experimentation.
Another way to do this (with less control but excellent results) is to
convert your file to Lab mode. In the Channels palette, just click on the
Lightness channel and then change the mode to Grayscale.



31) TURN LAYERS INTO SEPARATE DOCUMENTS: If you have created a multi-layered
document and you need to create separate documents from those layers, there'
s an automated way to do this. From the File menu choose Scripts>Export
Layers to Files. A dialog will offer lots of choices as to what formant you
want, file naming, etc.



32) CHANGE CHANNELS IN ADJUSTMEN DIALOGUE BOXES: When you're using Levels,
Curves or other Adjustment commands, use the keyboard to switch between
channels:

MAC: Command-1 (PC: Control-1): Red (Cyan in CMYK Mode)

Command-2 (Control-2): Green (Magenta in CMYK Mode)

Command-3 (Control-3): Blue (Yellow in CMYK Mode)

Command-4 (Control-4): Black (only in CMYK Mode)

Command-~ (Control-~): Master/overall (RGB or CMYK, depending on the mode)



33) RESET THE PREFERENCES AS YOU LAUNCH: You've probably heard that the best
way to fix many common problems in PS is to delete the Preferences. Rather
than struggling to find the preference file and delete it, instead, quit
Photoshop and then re-launch it, holding down MAC: Command-Option-Shift (PC:
Control-Alt-Shift). You'll be asked if you want to delete the preferences.
Click OK and all your settings will revert back to the original
"out-of-the-box" defaults.



34) ZOOM TRICK: To keep your document window the same size while zooming up
and down, hold MAC: Option (PC: Alt) while pressing MAC: Command-+ or - (PC:
Control - + or -).



35) OPEN MULTIPLE FILES: In the Open command, you can open several images at
once from the same folder by using Shift or Command (PC: Control). In the
Open dialog, Shift-click to open documents "in a row", or use MAC: Command
(PC: Control) and click on "discontinuous" names. Then click Open.



36) CHANGE RULER MEASUREMENT: To change the unit of measurement for your
rulers, don't bother going to the Preferences, just MAC: Control-click (PC:
Right-click) on the rulers and a pop-up box will let you choose the new unit
of measurement.



37) SEE YOUR TYPE COLOR: When you've highlighted type and are trying to
change the color you can't actually see the color since the text is
highlighted. To see the color you want to apply, press MAC: Command-H (PC:
Control-H) to hide the highlighting. Now you'll be able to see the colors as
you choose them for your text.



38) MAXIMIZE FILE BROWSER: Give yourself the maximum viewing area for the
File Browser by viewing it in Full Screen Mode, with all palettes hidden. To
do this, hold the MAC: Command key (PC: Control) and then click on the File
Browser button in the Options bar and you'll get the maximum view File
Browser. Closing the Browser won't get your palettes back - you have to MAC:
Command-click (PC: Control-click) the File Browser button again. To get back
to the regular setup (the standard size File Browser and all your palettes
back) just click the Browser's Zoom button, then press the Tab key on your
keyboard twice.



39) CYCLE THROUGH LAYER BLEND MODES: With the Move tool selected, press
Shift-+ or - to cycle through the Layer Blending Modes.



40) UNDO ON A SLIDER: After you've applied a filter, used a tool such as the
Brush, Blur or Dodge tools (any tool that uses a brush shape) or used an
adjustment command like Levels, you can use the Fade command to gradually
reduce the effects. After using any of these techniques, look under the Edit
menu for the Fade command - it will be labeled "Fade Gaussian Blur", "Fade
Brush Tool", "Fade Levels", etc. Drag the slider to gradually fade out the
effects of the last step you did - undo using the slider!

Brooklyn NYC
Thanks, I'm the one who posted it. I am posting 41 - 60/100 on Monday.


"TheOne&Only ":^) " <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:BCC190D0.FD18B%[Email Removed]...
QUOTE
Just something that is going around Usenet ...




PHOTOSHOP TIPS and TRICKS


1)      STEP-AND-REPEAT: Photoshop's Edit>Free Transform command (Mac:
Command-T [PC: Control-T]) offers some additional keyboard shortcuts for
"step-and-repeat" functions that can be very useful:

a.      To make the same transformation again, for an additive effect or
with a different layer targeted, Transform Again by pressing MAC:
Command-Shift-T (PC: Control-Shift-T).

b.      To make a new copy and transform the copy, press MAC:
Command-Option-Shift-T (PC: Control-Alt-Shift-T.


2)      RESET CHARACTER: Photoshop CS remembers whatever settings you last
used to format type. To quickly reset Photoshop's type to it's "default"
standard settings, just go to the Character palette and choose Reset
Character from the palette's pop-down menu.


3)      CYCLE THROUGH ALL OPEN EOCUMENTS: Press Control-Tab (both Mac and
PC) multiple times to cycle through all the documents that are currently
open


4)      ALL-CHANGE MODE: Hold SHIFT when clicking the Full-Screen Mode
icon
at the bottom of the Toolbox to change the mode of all the open documents.


5)      ADD A LAYER BELOW THE ACTIVE LAYER: Mac: Command-Click (PC:
Right-click) the New Layer icon at the bottom of the Layers Palette to add
a
layer below the active one.


6)      ADD, TAKE AWAY, OR INTERSECT A SELECTION: You can Mac:
Command-Click
(PC: Control-Click) on a path, channel, or layer to load it as a
selection.
Hold Shift to add to an active selection, Mac: Option (PC: Alt) to take
away, and Mac: Shift-Option (PC: Shift-Alt) to intersect it.


7)      WHERE'S THE IMAGE?: Sorry PC users, but there doesn't seem to be
an
equivalent for this Mac shortcut. Command-click on the file name that
appears at the top of your document to see where the image is stored on
your
hard drive. Release your mouse button when it's on the folder name and
then
that folder will open in the Finder. OK. Here's one that's unique to
Windows: Press F twice to enter Full Screen Mode and your menus will
disappear. On the Mac you're out of luck, but in Windows click the small
triangle that now appears at the top of the Toolbox and you'll get a pop-p
with all menus.


8)      WORKING WITH GUIDES: Hold Mac: Option (PC: Alt) to change the
direction of the guide (horizontal/vertical), hold Shift to snap it to the
tick marks of your ruler, and hold Mac: Command (PC: Control) to move a
guide when using a tool other than the Move tool. Hold the Mac: Control
key
(PC: Right-click) after you start to drag something (guide, selection,
layer, etc.) to prevent it from snapping to other objects.


9)      OEN AN IMAGE, CLOSE THE FILE BROWSER: If you double-click on an
image in the File Browser, the File Browser remains open. To close the
File
Browser as you open an image, hold down Mac: Option (PC: Alt) as you
double-click on the image in the File Browser.


10)  PICK COLOR FROM ANYWHERE: You can use the Eyedropper tool to pick
colours from all areas of your screen (not just an active document). Just
click within a document first, and then drag outside of the window onto
the
object you'd like to sample.


11)  HIGHLIGHT YOUR MAGNIFICATION: To experiment with different
magnification settings (either at the bottom left-hand corner of your
image
window or in the Navigator palette), type in a new magnification
percentage,
and then hold down the Shift key as your press Enter. Now the percentage
stays highlighted so you can quickly enter a different percentage.


12)  USE CUSTOM SHAPES TO MASK ADJUSTMENT LAYERS: To create an Adjustment
Layer using a Shape Mask (as opposed to a pixel-based mask), try this: Add
a
Custom Shape layer to your document. Go under Layer>Change Layer Content
to
pick the adjustment your want. Now the Adjustment Layer will be masked by
the custom vector shape. If you need to apply filters to the Shape Mask,
you'll have to convert it to a pixel-based mask by rasterizing the vector
mask.


13)  HANG THE PUNCTUATION: If you use quotation marks in your paragraph
type, make typographers happy with this technique. From the Paragraph
palette's pop-up menu, choose Roman Hanging Punctuation. This will cause
punctuation marks to appear just outside the boundaries of the paragraph
text box.


14)  SLIDE SHOW: To create a "slide show" that you control manually in CS,
follow these steps. With all the documents open, hold down the Shift key
and
click on the Full Screen Mode button at the bottom of the toolbox. (You
may
have to press Mac: Command-+ or - (PC: Control-+ or -) to zoom in or out
to
get the ideal magnification).


15)  CREATE CUSTOM SHAPES: You can create and save custom paths for use
with
the Custom Shape tool - for example, company logos, even copyright info,
anything that you can define with a path. Create a path from the artwork
or
type (or copy and paste from a vector program) and then use the command
Edit>Define Custom Shape.


16)  SAVE SETS: Remember that simply creating a Custom Shape (or Style)
doesn't save it. From the Custom Shape Picker's pop-up menu, choose Save
Shapes. Alternatively, use the Presets Manager (opened through the Edit
menu) to create a saved set.


17)  CLONE ON AN EMPTY LAYER: Always do your cloning on an empty layer and
leave your Background layer intact. Remember to check the "Use All Layers"
box in the Options bar.


18)  SAVE DEFAULTS IN SHADOW/HIGHLIGHT: The default settings in the
Shadow/Highlight command may be to your liking - or you may find yourself
changing them all the time. To make the defaults your own, click on the
Show
More Options button, then adjust the settings to your choice for defaults,
then click the Save as Defaults button.


19)  LOWER THE NUMBER OF HISTORY STATES: If you routinely work on very
large
images, you may find the PS slows down considerably. This may be due to
the
number of History States you have PS remembering. In the General
Preferences
window, lower the number of History States from the default of 20.


20)  FIND THE CENTER: To find the centre of the contents of the Layer,
choose View>Show Rulers and then call up Free Transform by hitting Mac:
Command-T (PC: Control-T). While the Free Transform Rectangle is visible,
you can drag guides out of the Rulers and they will "snap to" the grabber
handles and centre point. Be sure to hit the ESC key to dismiss the Free
Transform rectangle without making any changes.




(21-40)



21) WANNA LIGHTEN OR DARKEN AN AREA IN YOUR IMAGE? To lighten or darken an
area of a photograph, make a selection around the problem area with a
feathered edge. Press MAC: Command-J (PC: Control-J) to turn the selection
into a layer. Change the Blend Mode to Screen or Multiply and adjust the
Opacity in the Layers palette to correct the area. Multiply Mode will
darken
and Screen Mode will lighten the area while protecting the contrast of the
affected area.



22a) GET RID OF FRINGE PIXELS, TAKE 1: Sometimes when your combine
multiple
images for a collage, you see a slight fringe around the edges of layers
that are copied from other images. In many cases you can remove that
fringe
by going to Layers>Matting>Defringe. Try using the default setting of 1.
That will often do the trick, but if not, choose Undo (from the Edit menu)
and go back and try a Defringe setting of 2.



b) GET RID OF FRINGE PIXELS, TAKE 2: If defringe doesn't work, or the
edges
end up looking a little jagged, here's another alternative to Defringe.
MAC:
Command-Click (PC: Control-click) on the layer name in the Layers palette
to
load a selection of the contents of the layer. Then from the Select menu,
choose Modify>Contract and contract by 1-3 pixels. Go back to the Select
menu and choose inverse. Press MAC: Command-H (PC: Control-H) to hide your
selection then add a very slight Gaussian Blur (Filter>Blur>Gaussian Blur)
of 1 pixel or less.



c) GET RID OF THE FRINGE PIXELS, TAKE 3: Here's another variation on the
same theme. MAC: Command-click (PC: Control-click) on the layer name in
the
Layers palette to load a selection of the contents of the layer. Then from
the Select menu, choose Modify>Border and enter 2 for the value. In the
layers palette, switch to the Background layer, then press MAC: Command-J
(PC: Control-J) to copy the selected area on to its own layer. Move the
"border layer" above the fringed layer and change the mode to Lighten to
hide a light colored fringe, Darken to hide a dark fringe.



23) REMEMBER MORE FILES: By default, PS remembers the last 10 files you've
opened. Actually, that's not quite true: it remembers 30 files but only
shows the last 10 because that's the default preference. To see a list of
the last 30 files you worked on, press MAC: Command-K (PC: Control-K) to
open Preferences, and then press the Next button to go to the File
Handling
dialogue. At the bottom you'll see that the "Recent file list contains"
box
is set to 10. Change that to 30 and you'll have a nice long list under
File>Open Recent.



24) PAINT AWAY COLOR: When you're working on a color image, you can use
the
Brush tool to selectively "paint away" color so that the image looks black
and white. Whit the Brush tool active, go to the Options Bar and change
the
Blending mode from Normal to Color, use Black as your Foreground color,
and
start "painting away" the color.



25) NAVIGATION WHILE IN DIALOGS: Even when you're working in dialogs such
as
Levels, or in most filters, you can still access most of the View menu
features. This enables you to navigate within your document, change your
views, and toggle rulers on and off, etc. while the dialog is open. You
can
also press MAC: Command-+ or - (PC: Control-+ or -) to zoom in and out, or
use the Spacebar to activate the Hand tool to scroll your view.



26) ACCESSING GRAYED OUT FILTERS IN CMYK: If you're working in CMYK mode,
you'll notice that many of the filters are "grayed" out in the Filter
menu,
so you cannot access them. Rather than converting to RGB, which could
affect
the colors, try this: go to the Channels palette and click on the CYAN
channel. Now look in the Filter menu and you'll see that all filters are
available. All you have to do is apply the same filter to all four
channels,
one at a time. To do this quickly apply the filter to the CYAN channel,
then
press MAC: Command-2 (PC: Control-2) to activate the Magenta channel, and
MAC: Command-F (PC: Control-F) to reapply the same filter. Press
Command-3,
Command-F for the Yellow channel then Command-4, Command-F to apply it to
the Black channel. (One note: this doesn't work as well with "random"
filters such as Render Clouds).



27) IMAGE TOO LARGE TO SCAN?: Got an image that's too large to scan in one
piece? Simply scan each half, making sure that there is a significant
overlap between the pieces (for example, include the same person or
portion
of the same building in each scan). Then open both halves and use
File>Automat>Photomerge to automatically stitch the two halves together.



28) QUICKLY MAKE WHITE YOUR BACKGROUND COLOR: Just press the letters "d"
and
"y" and your Foreground color will instantly be white.



29) CHANGE OPACITY FROM YOUR KEYBOARD: For any tool that has a slider for
Opacity (or Strength, Exposure, or Tolerance), don't bother going to the
Options Bar to change the setting. Just press the first number of the
percentage you want: for example, 1 for 10%, 8 for 80%, etc. Use 0 for
100%.
If the Move tool is selected, the same key strokes will change the opacity
of your active layer (as long as the Layers palette is floating - it will
not work if the palette is docked).



30) BETTER GRAYSCALE CONVERSIONS: Using the Channel Mixer is a great way
to
convert a color image to grayscale, but it does take some experimentation.
Another way to do this (with less control but excellent results) is to
convert your file to Lab mode. In the Channels palette, just click on the
Lightness channel and then change the mode to Grayscale.



31) TURN LAYERS INTO SEPARATE DOCUMENTS: If you have created a
multi-layered
document and you need to create separate documents from those layers,
there'
s an automated way to do this. From the File menu choose Scripts>Export
Layers to Files. A dialog will offer lots of choices as to what formant
you
want, file naming, etc.



32) CHANGE CHANNELS IN ADJUSTMEN DIALOGUE BOXES: When you're using Levels,
Curves or other Adjustment commands, use the keyboard to switch between
channels:

MAC: Command-1 (PC: Control-1): Red (Cyan in CMYK Mode)

Command-2 (Control-2): Green (Magenta in CMYK Mode)

Command-3 (Control-3): Blue (Yellow in CMYK Mode)

Command-4 (Control-4): Black (only in CMYK Mode)

Command-~ (Control-~): Master/overall (RGB or CMYK, depending on the mode)



33) RESET THE PREFERENCES AS YOU LAUNCH: You've probably heard that the
best
way to fix many common problems in PS is to delete the Preferences. Rather
than struggling to find the preference file and delete it, instead, quit
Photoshop and then re-launch it, holding down MAC: Command-Option-Shift
(PC:
Control-Alt-Shift). You'll be asked if you want to delete the preferences.
Click OK and all your settings will revert back to the original
"out-of-the-box" defaults.



34) ZOOM TRICK: To keep your document window the same size while zooming u
p
and down, hold MAC: Option (PC: Alt) while pressing MAC: Command-+ or -
(PC:
Control - + or -).



35) OPEN MULTIPLE FILES: In the Open command, you can open several images
at
once from the same folder by using Shift or Command (PC: Control). In the
Open dialog, Shift-click to open documents "in a row", or use MAC: Command
(PC: Control) and click on "discontinuous" names. Then click Open.



36) CHANGE RULER MEASUREMENT: To change the unit of measurement for your
rulers, don't bother going to the Preferences, just MAC: Control-click
(PC:
Right-click) on the rulers and a pop-up box will let you choose the new
unit
of measurement.



37) SEE YOUR TYPE COLOR:  When you've highlighted type and are trying to
change the color you can't actually see the color since the text is
highlighted. To see the color you want to apply, press MAC: Command-H (PC:
Control-H) to hide the highlighting. Now you'll be able to see the colors
as
you choose them for your text.



38) MAXIMIZE FILE BROWSER: Give yourself the maximum viewing area for the
File Browser by viewing it in Full Screen Mode, with all palettes hidden.
To
do this, hold the MAC: Command key (PC: Control) and then click on the
File
Browser button in the Options bar and you'll get the maximum view File
Browser. Closing the Browser won't get your palettes back - you have to
MAC:
Command-click (PC: Control-click) the File Browser button again. To get
back
to the regular setup (the standard size File Browser and all your palettes
back) just click the Browser's Zoom button, then press the Tab key on your
keyboard twice.



39) CYCLE THROUGH LAYER BLEND MODES: With the Move tool selected, press
Shift-+ or - to cycle through the Layer Blending Modes.



40) UNDO ON A SLIDER: After you've applied a filter, used a tool such as
the
Brush, Blur or Dodge tools (any tool that uses a brush shape) or used an
adjustment command like Levels, you can use the Fade command to gradually
reduce the effects. After using any of these techniques, look under the
Edit
menu for the Fade command - it will be labeled "Fade Gaussian Blur", "Fade
Brush Tool", "Fade Levels", etc. Drag the slider to gradually fade out the
effects of the last step you did - undo using the slider!



SpaceGirl
QUOTE
7)      WHERE'S THE IMAGE?: Sorry PC users, but there doesn't seem to be
an
equivalent for this Mac shortcut. Command-click on the file name that
appears at the top of your document to see where the image is stored on
your
hard drive. Release your mouse button when it's on the folder name and
then
that folder will open in the Finder. OK. Here's one that's unique to
Windows: Press F twice to enter Full Screen Mode and your menus will
disappear. On the Mac you're out of luck, but in Windows click the small
triangle that now appears at the top of the Toolbox and you'll get a pop-p
with all menus.


On Windows just hold the mouse over the title bar of the open document and
it tells you the location of the file after a few moments in a tooltip....
you dont need to click anything. There's no file shortcut. Right click the
title bar of an open document to access shortcuts to "duplicate", "resize"
and "file information".

SpaceGirl
Another tip too... on all tool palettes where you have a size you can input
(such as text size), note the little icon to the left of the point where you
can enter a size. Left click this icon and drag up and down... the number in
the input box will automatically increase or decrease, meaning you don't
have to type in the number :)


"TheOne&Only ":^) " <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:BCC190D0.FD18B%[Email Removed]...
QUOTE
Just something that is going around Usenet ...




PHOTOSHOP TIPS and TRICKS


1)      STEP-AND-REPEAT: Photoshop's Edit>Free Transform command (Mac:
Command-T [PC: Control-T]) offers some additional keyboard shortcuts for
"step-and-repeat" functions that can be very useful:

a.      To make the same transformation again, for an additive effect or
with a different layer targeted, Transform Again by pressing MAC:
Command-Shift-T (PC: Control-Shift-T).

b.      To make a new copy and transform the copy, press MAC:
Command-Option-Shift-T (PC: Control-Alt-Shift-T.


2)      RESET CHARACTER: Photoshop CS remembers whatever settings you last
used to format type. To quickly reset Photoshop's type to it's "default"
standard settings, just go to the Character palette and choose Reset
Character from the palette's pop-down menu.


3)      CYCLE THROUGH ALL OPEN EOCUMENTS: Press Control-Tab (both Mac and
PC) multiple times to cycle through all the documents that are currently
open


4)      ALL-CHANGE MODE: Hold SHIFT when clicking the Full-Screen Mode
icon
at the bottom of the Toolbox to change the mode of all the open documents.


5)      ADD A LAYER BELOW THE ACTIVE LAYER: Mac: Command-Click (PC:
Right-click) the New Layer icon at the bottom of the Layers Palette to add
a
layer below the active one.


6)      ADD, TAKE AWAY, OR INTERSECT A SELECTION: You can Mac:
Command-Click
(PC: Control-Click) on a path, channel, or layer to load it as a
selection.
Hold Shift to add to an active selection, Mac: Option (PC: Alt) to take
away, and Mac: Shift-Option (PC: Shift-Alt) to intersect it.


7)      WHERE'S THE IMAGE?: Sorry PC users, but there doesn't seem to be
an
equivalent for this Mac shortcut. Command-click on the file name that
appears at the top of your document to see where the image is stored on
your
hard drive. Release your mouse button when it's on the folder name and
then
that folder will open in the Finder. OK. Here's one that's unique to
Windows: Press F twice to enter Full Screen Mode and your menus will
disappear. On the Mac you're out of luck, but in Windows click the small
triangle that now appears at the top of the Toolbox and you'll get a pop-p
with all menus.


8)      WORKING WITH GUIDES: Hold Mac: Option (PC: Alt) to change the
direction of the guide (horizontal/vertical), hold Shift to snap it to the
tick marks of your ruler, and hold Mac: Command (PC: Control) to move a
guide when using a tool other than the Move tool. Hold the Mac: Control
key
(PC: Right-click) after you start to drag something (guide, selection,
layer, etc.) to prevent it from snapping to other objects.


9)      OEN AN IMAGE, CLOSE THE FILE BROWSER: If you double-click on an
image in the File Browser, the File Browser remains open. To close the
File
Browser as you open an image, hold down Mac: Option (PC: Alt) as you
double-click on the image in the File Browser.


10)  PICK COLOR FROM ANYWHERE: You can use the Eyedropper tool to pick
colours from all areas of your screen (not just an active document). Just
click within a document first, and then drag outside of the window onto
the
object you'd like to sample.


11)  HIGHLIGHT YOUR MAGNIFICATION: To experiment with different
magnification settings (either at the bottom left-hand corner of your
image
window or in the Navigator palette), type in a new magnification
percentage,
and then hold down the Shift key as your press Enter. Now the percentage
stays highlighted so you can quickly enter a different percentage.


12)  USE CUSTOM SHAPES TO MASK ADJUSTMENT LAYERS: To create an Adjustment
Layer using a Shape Mask (as opposed to a pixel-based mask), try this: Add
a
Custom Shape layer to your document. Go under Layer>Change Layer Content
to
pick the adjustment your want. Now the Adjustment Layer will be masked by
the custom vector shape. If you need to apply filters to the Shape Mask,
you'll have to convert it to a pixel-based mask by rasterizing the vector
mask.


13)  HANG THE PUNCTUATION: If you use quotation marks in your paragraph
type, make typographers happy with this technique. From the Paragraph
palette's pop-up menu, choose Roman Hanging Punctuation. This will cause
punctuation marks to appear just outside the boundaries of the paragraph
text box.


14)  SLIDE SHOW: To create a "slide show" that you control manually in CS,
follow these steps. With all the documents open, hold down the Shift key
and
click on the Full Screen Mode button at the bottom of the toolbox. (You
may
have to press Mac: Command-+ or - (PC: Control-+ or -) to zoom in or out
to
get the ideal magnification).


15)  CREATE CUSTOM SHAPES: You can create and save custom paths for use
with
the Custom Shape tool - for example, company logos, even copyright info,
anything that you can define with a path. Create a path from the artwork
or
type (or copy and paste from a vector program) and then use the command
Edit>Define Custom Shape.


16)  SAVE SETS: Remember that simply creating a Custom Shape (or Style)
doesn't save it. From the Custom Shape Picker's pop-up menu, choose Save
Shapes. Alternatively, use the Presets Manager (opened through the Edit
menu) to create a saved set.


17)  CLONE ON AN EMPTY LAYER: Always do your cloning on an empty layer and
leave your Background layer intact. Remember to check the "Use All Layers"
box in the Options bar.


18)  SAVE DEFAULTS IN SHADOW/HIGHLIGHT: The default settings in the
Shadow/Highlight command may be to your liking - or you may find yourself
changing them all the time. To make the defaults your own, click on the
Show
More Options button, then adjust the settings to your choice for defaults,
then click the Save as Defaults button.


19)  LOWER THE NUMBER OF HISTORY STATES: If you routinely work on very
large
images, you may find the PS slows down considerably. This may be due to
the
number of History States you have PS remembering. In the General
Preferences
window, lower the number of History States from the default of 20.


20)  FIND THE CENTER: To find the centre of the contents of the Layer,
choose View>Show Rulers and then call up Free Transform by hitting Mac:
Command-T (PC: Control-T). While the Free Transform Rectangle is visible,
you can drag guides out of the Rulers and they will "snap to" the grabber
handles and centre point. Be sure to hit the ESC key to dismiss the Free
Transform rectangle without making any changes.




(21-40)



21) WANNA LIGHTEN OR DARKEN AN AREA IN YOUR IMAGE? To lighten or darken an
area of a photograph, make a selection around the problem area with a
feathered edge. Press MAC: Command-J (PC: Control-J) to turn the selection
into a layer. Change the Blend Mode to Screen or Multiply and adjust the
Opacity in the Layers palette to correct the area. Multiply Mode will
darken
and Screen Mode will lighten the area while protecting the contrast of the
affected area.



22a) GET RID OF FRINGE PIXELS, TAKE 1: Sometimes when your combine
multiple
images for a collage, you see a slight fringe around the edges of layers
that are copied from other images. In many cases you can remove that
fringe
by going to Layers>Matting>Defringe. Try using the default setting of 1.
That will often do the trick, but if not, choose Undo (from the Edit menu)
and go back and try a Defringe setting of 2.



b) GET RID OF FRINGE PIXELS, TAKE 2: If defringe doesn't work, or the
edges
end up looking a little jagged, here's another alternative to Defringe.
MAC:
Command-Click (PC: Control-click) on the layer name in the Layers palette
to
load a selection of the contents of the layer. Then from the Select menu,
choose Modify>Contract and contract by 1-3 pixels. Go back to the Select
menu and choose inverse. Press MAC: Command-H (PC: Control-H) to hide your
selection then add a very slight Gaussian Blur (Filter>Blur>Gaussian Blur)
of 1 pixel or less.



c) GET RID OF THE FRINGE PIXELS, TAKE 3: Here's another variation on the
same theme. MAC: Command-click (PC: Control-click) on the layer name in
the
Layers palette to load a selection of the contents of the layer. Then from
the Select menu, choose Modify>Border and enter 2 for the value. In the
layers palette, switch to the Background layer, then press MAC: Command-J
(PC: Control-J) to copy the selected area on to its own layer. Move the
"border layer" above the fringed layer and change the mode to Lighten to
hide a light colored fringe, Darken to hide a dark fringe.



23) REMEMBER MORE FILES: By default, PS remembers the last 10 files you've
opened. Actually, that's not quite true: it remembers 30 files but only
shows the last 10 because that's the default preference. To see a list of
the last 30 files you worked on, press MAC: Command-K (PC: Control-K) to
open Preferences, and then press the Next button to go to the File
Handling
dialogue. At the bottom you'll see that the "Recent file list contains"
box
is set to 10. Change that to 30 and you'll have a nice long list under
File>Open Recent.



24) PAINT AWAY COLOR: When you're working on a color image, you can use
the
Brush tool to selectively "paint away" color so that the image looks black
and white. Whit the Brush tool active, go to the Options Bar and change
the
Blending mode from Normal to Color, use Black as your Foreground color,
and
start "painting away" the color.



25) NAVIGATION WHILE IN DIALOGS: Even when you're working in dialogs such
as
Levels, or in most filters, you can still access most of the View menu
features. This enables you to navigate within your document, change your
views, and toggle rulers on and off, etc. while the dialog is open. You
can
also press MAC: Command-+ or - (PC: Control-+ or -) to zoom in and out, or
use the Spacebar to activate the Hand tool to scroll your view.



26) ACCESSING GRAYED OUT FILTERS IN CMYK: If you're working in CMYK mode,
you'll notice that many of the filters are "grayed" out in the Filter
menu,
so you cannot access them. Rather than converting to RGB, which could
affect
the colors, try this: go to the Channels palette and click on the CYAN
channel. Now look in the Filter menu and you'll see that all filters are
available. All you have to do is apply the same filter to all four
channels,
one at a time. To do this quickly apply the filter to the CYAN channel,
then
press MAC: Command-2 (PC: Control-2) to activate the Magenta channel, and
MAC: Command-F (PC: Control-F) to reapply the same filter. Press
Command-3,
Command-F for the Yellow channel then Command-4, Command-F to apply it to
the Black channel. (One note: this doesn't work as well with "random"
filters such as Render Clouds).



27) IMAGE TOO LARGE TO SCAN?: Got an image that's too large to scan in one
piece? Simply scan each half, making sure that there is a significant
overlap between the pieces (for example, include the same person or
portion
of the same building in each scan). Then open both halves and use
File>Automat>Photomerge to automatically stitch the two halves together.



28) QUICKLY MAKE WHITE YOUR BACKGROUND COLOR: Just press the letters "d"
and
"y" and your Foreground color will instantly be white.



29) CHANGE OPACITY FROM YOUR KEYBOARD: For any tool that has a slider for
Opacity (or Strength, Exposure, or Tolerance), don't bother going to the
Options Bar to change the setting. Just press the first number of the
percentage you want: for example, 1 for 10%, 8 for 80%, etc. Use 0 for
100%.
If the Move tool is selected, the same key strokes will change the opacity
of your active layer (as long as the Layers palette is floating - it will
not work if the palette is docked).



30) BETTER GRAYSCALE CONVERSIONS: Using the Channel Mixer is a great way
to
convert a color image to grayscale, but it does take some experimentation.
Another way to do this (with less control but excellent results) is to
convert your file to Lab mode. In the Channels palette, just click on the
Lightness channel and then change the mode to Grayscale.



31) TURN LAYERS INTO SEPARATE DOCUMENTS: If you have created a
multi-layered
document and you need to create separate documents from those layers,
there'
s an automated way to do this. From the File menu choose Scripts>Export
Layers to Files. A dialog will offer lots of choices as to what formant
you
want, file naming, etc.



32) CHANGE CHANNELS IN ADJUSTMEN DIALOGUE BOXES: When you're using Levels,
Curves or other Adjustment commands, use the keyboard to switch between
channels:

MAC: Command-1 (PC: Control-1): Red (Cyan in CMYK Mode)

Command-2 (Control-2): Green (Magenta in CMYK Mode)

Command-3 (Control-3): Blue (Yellow in CMYK Mode)

Command-4 (Control-4): Black (only in CMYK Mode)

Command-~ (Control-~): Master/overall (RGB or CMYK, depending on the mode)



33) RESET THE PREFERENCES AS YOU LAUNCH: You've probably heard that the
best
way to fix many common problems in PS is to delete the Preferences. Rather
than struggling to find the preference file and delete it, instead, quit
Photoshop and then re-launch it, holding down MAC: Command-Option-Shift
(PC:
Control-Alt-Shift). You'll be asked if you want to delete the preferences.
Click OK and all your settings will revert back to the original
"out-of-the-box" defaults.



34) ZOOM TRICK: To keep your document window the same size while zooming
up
and down, hold MAC: Option (PC: Alt) while pressing MAC: Command-+ or -
(PC:
Control - + or -).



35) OPEN MULTIPLE FILES: In the Open command, you can open several images
at
once from the same folder by using Shift or Command (PC: Control). In the
Open dialog, Shift-click to open documents "in a row", or use MAC: Command
(PC: Control) and click on "discontinuous" names. Then click Open.



36) CHANGE RULER MEASUREMENT: To change the unit of measurement for your
rulers, don't bother going to the Preferences, just MAC: Control-click
(PC:
Right-click) on the rulers and a pop-up box will let you choose the new
unit
of measurement.



37) SEE YOUR TYPE COLOR:  When you've highlighted type and are trying to
change the color you can't actually see the color since the text is
highlighted. To see the color you want to apply, press MAC: Command-H (PC:
Control-H) to hide the highlighting. Now you'll be able to see the colors
as
you choose them for your text.



38) MAXIMIZE FILE BROWSER: Give yourself the maximum viewing area for the
File Browser by viewing it in Full Screen Mode, with all palettes hidden.
To
do this, hold the MAC: Command key (PC: Control) and then click on the
File
Browser button in the Options bar and you'll get the maximum view File
Browser. Closing the Browser won't get your palettes back - you have to
MAC:
Command-click (PC: Control-click) the File Browser button again. To get
back
to the regular setup (the standard size File Browser and all your palettes
back) just click the Browser's Zoom button, then press the Tab key on your
keyboard twice.



39) CYCLE THROUGH LAYER BLEND MODES: With the Move tool selected, press
Shift-+ or - to cycle through the Layer Blending Modes.



40) UNDO ON A SLIDER: After you've applied a filter, used a tool such as
the
Brush, Blur or Dodge tools (any tool that uses a brush shape) or used an
adjustment command like Levels, you can use the Fade command to gradually
reduce the effects. After using any of these techniques, look under the
Edit
menu for the Fade command - it will be labeled "Fade Gaussian Blur", "Fade
Brush Tool", "Fade Levels", etc. Drag the slider to gradually fade out the
effects of the last step you did - undo using the slider!



Brooklyn NYC
Excellent --- thanx for the tip!

"SpaceGirl" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:[Email Removed]...
QUOTE
7)      WHERE'S THE IMAGE?: Sorry PC users, but there doesn't seem to be
an
equivalent for this Mac shortcut. Command-click on the file name that
appears at the top of your document to see where the image is stored on
your
hard drive. Release your mouse button when it's on the folder name and
then
that folder will open in the Finder. OK. Here's one that's unique to
Windows: Press F twice to enter Full Screen Mode and your menus will
disappear. On the Mac you're out of luck, but in Windows click the small
triangle that now appears at the top of the Toolbox and you'll get a
pop-p
with all menus.


On Windows just hold the mouse over the title bar of the open document and
it tells you the location of the file after a few moments in a tooltip....
you dont need to click anything. There's no file shortcut. Right click the
title bar of an open document to access shortcuts to "duplicate", "resize"
and "file information".



Jeanne
<< Left click this icon and drag up and down... the number in
the input box will automatically increase or decrease, meaning you don't have
to type in the number :) >>

On the Mac I highlight/activate the text size area and then just use my arrow
keys to increase or decrease the size.

Jeanne

SpaceGirl
"Jeanne" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:[Email Removed]...
QUOTE
<< Left click this icon and drag up and down... the number in
the input box will automatically increase or decrease, meaning you don't
have
to type in the number :)

On the Mac I highlight/activate the text size area and then just use my
arrow
keys to increase or decrease the size.

Jeanne


Yep that works too.... however my trick works for ANYTHING that lets you
type in a size... even works in the zoom box :)

Jeanne
<< > On the Mac I highlight/activate the text size area and then just use my
arrow keys to increase or decrease the size.
QUOTE

Jeanne


From: "SpaceGirl"
Yep that works too.... however my trick works for ANYTHING that lets you type
in a size... even works in the zoom box :) >>

Mine does too - anything that lets you type in a size., feathering, scaling,
opacity changes - I'm talking about the arrow keys on my keyboard. And if I
hold down the shift key I get larger incremental increases/decreases.

I hate typing in numbers!

Jeanne

Jeanne
<< . even works in the zoom box :) >> >>

Oh - mine doesn't have the zoom box capability, but that's not too painful as I
just drag or hit the command key to zoom out. That's one up for the
PC....drats!

Jeanne

Jeanne
<< even works in the zoom box :) >> >>

I does work in the zoom box afterall. I go to the Navigator window and
highlight and then use my arrow keys to zoom in and out! Even Stephen .... PC.
:)

Jeanne

okiwan
On 2004-05-08 00:55:25 -0400, [Email Removed] (Toronto Web
Designer) said:

QUOTE
Hi,

Is converting a low resolution bitmap image (72/96 dpi) to a high
resolution (300 dpi/ppi) bitmap image still considered impossible?

Regards.

NOT ALLOWED, go back to design school

wavy~dave
Tell it to your client. Watch them go to your competiton.


On Fri, 14 May 2004 11:05:41 -0400, okiwan <[Email Removed]>
wrote:

QUOTE
On 2004-05-08 00:55:25 -0400, [Email Removed] (Toronto Web
Designer) said:

Hi,

Is converting a low resolution bitmap image (72/96 dpi) to a high
resolution (300 dpi/ppi) bitmap image still considered impossible?

Regards.

NOT ALLOWED, go back to design school


Boke Yuzgen
Thanks!
--
Boke Yuzgen

Mike
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Uni
Mike wrote:
QUOTE

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Very artistic.

:-)

Uni

Colonel Polyps
"Cesar Ocasio" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:u2frc.23569$[Email Removed]...
QUOTE
Actually, is not.  I agree the world is better without Liberals, but I
disagree Nick was one.


"~Nins~" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:yverc.1599$ny.640973@attbi_s53...
sara wrote:
|| Berg was a Liberal.....world is a better place without him.

You should be ashamed, that's a horrible thing to say. :(






I still say he was a double spy and his executioners were the SWAT team.

Berg was a sack of maggot shit.

I feel freer that he is in pieces.

American Revolution is unfinished. Death to Britain and the christian
jew cop government.

CC
Hi...
I'm wondering why a Pantone color used in Photoshop prints a
different color than the identical Pantone color used in Illustrator?

I built a PMS 2748 CVU in AI 9 and then built the same PMS in PS 7, yet the
color shifts upon printout after printing both from Quark 4.

Is it more accurate to just find the CMYK equivalent and then assign it in
both PS and AI?

Any help would be great. Thanks.

woodsie
In article <BCD692D8.6DCC%[Email Removed]>, CC <[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE
Hi...
I'm wondering why a Pantone color used in Photoshop prints a
different color than the identical Pantone color used in Illustrator?

I built a PMS 2748 CVU in AI 9 and then built the same PMS in PS 7, yet the
color shifts upon printout after printing both from Quark 4.

Is it more accurate to just find the CMYK equivalent and then assign it in
both PS and AI?

Any help would be great. Thanks.


that depends how u saved the ps file and what u printed it to?

if your not printing spot colors then PMS is only a reference guide for
nearest possible CMYK matches.

CC
On 5/23/04 6:17 PM, in article
[Email Removed], "woodsie"
<[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE
In article <BCD692D8.6DCC%[Email Removed]>, CC <[Email Removed]> wrote:

Hi...
I'm wondering why a Pantone color used in Photoshop prints a
different color than the identical Pantone color used in Illustrator?

I built a PMS 2748 CVU in AI 9 and then built the same PMS in PS 7, yet the
color shifts upon printout after printing both from Quark 4.

Is it more accurate to just find the CMYK equivalent and then assign it in
both PS and AI?

Any help would be great. Thanks.


that depends how u saved the ps file and what u printed it to?

if your not printing spot colors then PMS is only a reference guide for
nearest possible CMYK matches.


Right. Thanks. Sorry for not clarifying. It is printing to an offset press.
The logo is built in PS with Pantone colors used. Those same Pantones colors
are being applied in Illustrator to yet another piece of art. Then both the
logo and this other piece of art (both with the same PMS color) are being
placed in Quark. The PMS plate is being forced from Quark, yet the Photoshop
art isn't printing 100% on the PMS plate, and wants to print CMYK. I guess
the question, then, is how to get Photoshop to save the correct plate
information, and not output as CMYK, despite setting the correct PMS in PS
-- if that makes any sense! Anyway, thanks.

iehsmith
On 5/23/04 11:05 PM, CC uttered:

QUOTE
On 5/23/04 6:17 PM, in article
[Email Removed], "woodsie"
<[Email Removed]> wrote:

In article <BCD692D8.6DCC%[Email Removed]>, CC <[Email Removed]> wrote:

Hi...
I'm wondering why a Pantone color used in Photoshop prints a
different color than the identical Pantone color used in Illustrator?

I built a PMS 2748 CVU in AI 9 and then built the same PMS in PS 7, yet the
color shifts upon printout after printing both from Quark 4.

Is it more accurate to just find the CMYK equivalent and then assign it in
both PS and AI?

Any help would be great. Thanks.


that depends how u saved the ps file and what u printed it to?

if your not printing spot colors then PMS is only a reference guide for
nearest possible CMYK matches.


Right. Thanks. Sorry for not clarifying. It is printing to an offset press.
The logo is built in PS with Pantone colors used. Those same Pantones colors
are being applied in Illustrator to yet another piece of art. Then both the
logo and this other piece of art (both with the same PMS color) are being
placed in Quark. The PMS plate is being forced from Quark, yet the Photoshop
art isn't printing 100% on the PMS plate, and wants to print CMYK. I guess
the question, then, is how to get Photoshop to save the correct plate
information, and not output as CMYK, despite setting the correct PMS in PS
-- if that makes any sense! Anyway, thanks.


How are you saving the PS? For spot color in Photoshop I believe you have to
change the Image Mode to Multichannel and save as EPS DCS 2.

iehsmith
On 5/23/04 11:40 PM, iehsmith uttered:

QUOTE
On 5/23/04 11:05 PM, CC uttered:

On 5/23/04 6:17 PM, in article
[Email Removed], "woodsie"
<[Email Removed]> wrote:

In article <BCD692D8.6DCC%[Email Removed]>, CC <[Email Removed]> wrote:

Hi...
I'm wondering why a Pantone color used in Photoshop prints a
different color than the identical Pantone color used in Illustrator?

I built a PMS 2748 CVU in AI 9 and then built the same PMS in PS 7, yet the
color shifts upon printout after printing both from Quark 4.

Is it more accurate to just find the CMYK equivalent and then assign it in
both PS and AI?

Any help would be great. Thanks.


that depends how u saved the ps file and what u printed it to?

if your not printing spot colors then PMS is only a reference guide for
nearest possible CMYK matches.


Right. Thanks. Sorry for not clarifying. It is printing to an offset press.
The logo is built in PS with Pantone colors used. Those same Pantones colors
are being applied in Illustrator to yet another piece of art. Then both the
logo and this other piece of art (both with the same PMS color) are being
placed in Quark. The PMS plate is being forced from Quark, yet the Photoshop
art isn't printing 100% on the PMS plate, and wants to print CMYK. I guess
the question, then, is how to get Photoshop to save the correct plate
information, and not output as CMYK, despite setting the correct PMS in PS
-- if that makes any sense! Anyway, thanks.


How are you saving the PS? For spot color in Photoshop I believe you have to
change the Image Mode to Multichannel and save as EPS DCS 2.


I was wondering why the logo is being created in Photoshop instead of
Illustrator?

woodsie
In article <BCD6B498.6E26%[Email Removed]>, CC <[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE

Right. Thanks. Sorry for not clarifying. It is printing to an offset press.
The logo is built in PS with Pantone colors used. Those same Pantones colors
are being applied in Illustrator to yet another piece of art. Then both the
logo and this other piece of art (both with the same PMS color) are being
placed in Quark. The PMS plate is being forced from Quark, yet the Photoshop
art isn't printing 100% on the PMS plate, and wants to print CMYK. I guess
the question, then, is how to get Photoshop to save the correct plate
information, and not output as CMYK, despite setting the correct PMS in PS
-- if that makes any sense! Anyway, thanks.


if u can upload a low res example of what your trying to print, we might
be able to tell you a better way of doing it.

CC
On 5/23/04 8:40 PM, in article
BCD6D70D.1BF5B%[Email Removed], "iehsmith"
<[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE
On 5/23/04 11:05 PM, CC uttered:

On 5/23/04 6:17 PM, in article
[Email Removed], "woodsie"
<[Email Removed]> wrote:

In article <BCD692D8.6DCC%[Email Removed]>, CC <[Email Removed]> wrote:

Hi...
I'm wondering why a Pantone color used in Photoshop prints a
different color than the identical Pantone color used in Illustrator?

I built a PMS 2748 CVU in AI 9 and then built the same PMS in PS 7, yet the
color shifts upon printout after printing both from Quark 4.

Is it more accurate to just find the CMYK equivalent and then assign it in
both PS and AI?

Any help would be great. Thanks.


that depends how u saved the ps file and what u printed it to?

if your not printing spot colors then PMS is only a reference guide for
nearest possible CMYK matches.


Right. Thanks. Sorry for not clarifying. It is printing to an offset press.
The logo is built in PS with Pantone colors used. Those same Pantones colors
are being applied in Illustrator to yet another piece of art. Then both the
logo and this other piece of art (both with the same PMS color) are being
placed in Quark. The PMS plate is being forced from Quark, yet the Photoshop
art isn't printing 100% on the PMS plate, and wants to print CMYK. I guess
the question, then, is how to get Photoshop to save the correct plate
information, and not output as CMYK, despite setting the correct PMS in PS
-- if that makes any sense! Anyway, thanks.


How are you saving the PS? For spot color in Photoshop I believe you have to
change the Image Mode to Multichannel and save as EPS DCS 2.



Excellent. Thats the answer I was looking for. Thanks all!

In answer to your other question, I've no idea why the person who did the
logo didn't do it Illustrator. Actually I think he did, but it was one of
those clients who fired his designer and then when asked to give up the
native files the designer only gave access to the rasterized version, which
he saved in PS. Very annoying, esp. when I know he has the original AI
version somewhere.

-CC

woodsie
In article <BCD6CF21.709B%[Email Removed]>, CC <[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE

Excellent. Thats the answer I was looking for. Thanks all!

In answer to your other question, I've no idea why the person who did the
logo didn't do it Illustrator. Actually I think he did, but it was one of
those clients who fired his designer and then when asked to give up the
native files the designer only gave access to the rasterized version, which
he saved in PS. Very annoying, esp. when I know he has the original AI
version somewhere.


lol!

if the logo is simple enough, just recreate a vector version yourself.

CC
On 5/23/04 10:47 PM, in article
[Email Removed], "woodsie"
<[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE
In article <BCD6CF21.709B%[Email Removed]>, CC <[Email Removed]> wrote:


Excellent. Thats the answer I was looking for. Thanks all!

In answer to your other question, I've no idea why the person who did the
logo didn't do it Illustrator. Actually I think he did, but it was one of
those clients who fired his designer and then when asked to give up the
native files the designer only gave access to the rasterized version, which
he saved in PS. Very annoying, esp. when I know he has the original AI
version somewhere.


lol!


if the logo is simple enough, just recreate a vector version yourself.


Yeah, thats what I say. But the client is of the opinion that the designer
who created it made the "perfect logo" with all these cheesy 3D blur and
shadow effects and, once when I tried recreating a more sophisticated vector
version, the client swore that not only was the PMS color off (which it
wasn't) but the eagle in the middle of the logo just didn't look as
"aggressive" as before -- which I guess he considered a good thing. So
that's the level of intelligence I'm dealing with here :-)

woodsie
In article <BCD6EFA9.70AD%[Email Removed]>, CC <[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE
On 5/23/04 10:47 PM, in article
[Email Removed], "woodsie"
<[Email Removed]> wrote:

In article <BCD6CF21.709B%[Email Removed]>, CC <[Email Removed]> wrote:


Excellent. Thats the answer I was looking for. Thanks all!

In answer to your other question, I've no idea why the person who did the
logo didn't do it Illustrator. Actually I think he did, but it was one of
those clients who fired his designer and then when asked to give up the
native files the designer only gave access to the rasterized version, which
he saved in PS. Very annoying, esp. when I know he has the original AI
version somewhere.


lol!


if the logo is simple enough, just recreate a vector version yourself.


Yeah, thats what I say. But the client is of the opinion that the designer
who created it made the "perfect logo" with all these cheesy 3D blur and
shadow effects and, once when I tried recreating a more sophisticated vector
version, the client swore that not only was the PMS color off (which it
wasn't) but the eagle in the middle of the logo just didn't look as
"aggressive" as before -- which I guess he considered a good thing. So
that's the level of intelligence I'm dealing with here :-)

find a gun and shoot the client!

48073
"mark | r" <[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE
http://www.pixelisland.net/

this makes great use of the IE transitions (its not mine) i originally
thought it was flash!

Very nice.

48073.

Shamus
QUOTE
Forward to relevant newsgroups.

THURSDAY, JUNE 10, 2004
"Then and Now: Computer Graphics in Games"
Jordan Mechner, Rand Miller, and Will Wright with Vince Broady
Sponsored by NVIDIA Corporation

6:00 PM Member Reception
7:00 PM Lecture

Computer History Museum
1401 N. Shoreline Boulevard
Mountain View, CA
http://www.computerhistory.org/events/dire...museum_map.html

Free. (Suggested donation of $10.00 at the door from non-members.)
Advance reservations required. For more information and to sign up
online go to: http://www.computerhistory.org/nvidia_06102004
or call.

ABSTRACT OF TALK
Besides being a lot of fun to play, video games are also
a major driver of innovation in computer graphics. Join
us for a fascinating evening with three famous game
designers -- Jordan Mechner (Prince of Persia),
Rand Miller (Myst), and Will Wright (SimCity), who
will discuss how their games have pushed the boundaries
of graphics development over the years. Moderated by
Vince Broady of CNET GameSpot, the panelists will show
and tell how their games have helped move us from simple
pixel painting to lavish 3-D simulation.

Before the panel, members of the Museum are invited to
interact with the first-ever display of the Museum's
collection of computer games and artifacts, and see
examples of the absolute cutting edge in computer
graphics, courtesy of nVidia, the evening's corporate sponsor.

If you enjoy video games, then you won't want to miss this exciting
combination of creative talent, historical collections, and cutting-edge
demos. If video games are not your passion, then come learn about how
they have been responsible for exciting innovations in computing
history. In either case, prepare to have fun!

Computer History Museum
1401 N. Shoreline Blvd.
Mountain View, CA 94043
(Events Phone
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--------------------------------------


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Direct:
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1401 N Shoreline Boulevard
Mountain View, CA 94043


kungfufrijters
the second post was much better than the first :)

joel.

"Kolorvize" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:40c37a92$1$1829$[Email Removed]...
QUOTE
Kolorvize Studios provide high quality design.
From complete websites with admin and user backoffice / ecommerce sites to
brochures, flyers, magazines, multimedia applications and video editing.
Visit <http://www.kolorvize.com> today and find out our offers!


Frederic Banaszak
On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:06:25 -0400, "kungfufrijters"
<[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE
the second post was much better than the first :)


I disagree. By the second one, it had lost all originality and nuance.

kungfufrijters
well that is your opinion...
I guess you are entitled to it... ;)

joel.

"Frederic Banaszak" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:[Email Removed]...
QUOTE
On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 23:06:25 -0400, "kungfufrijters"
<[Email Removed]> wrote:

the second post was much better than the first :)


I disagree. By the second one, it had lost all originality and nuance.



JP Kabala
Looks like Word 97? Change your view.
"Matthew Levy" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:Hs%wc.1245$[Email Removed]...
QUOTE
I've got a bug with word thats really annoying me. As you might see from
the
screen grab i have these margin borders displayed on screen, they're
really
annoying. how do i get rid of them?

mat




Baeowulf
Click VIEW>NORMAL


"Matthew Levy" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:Hs%wc.1245$[Email Removed]...
QUOTE
I've got a bug with word thats really annoying me. As you might see from
the
screen grab i have these margin borders displayed on screen, they're
really
annoying. how do i get rid of them?

mat




Steph hammond
You need to go Tools>options>View tab and make sure the tick is not in the
Text Boundaries box


"Matthew Levy" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:Hs%wc.1245$[Email Removed]...
QUOTE
I've got a bug with word thats really annoying me. As you might see from
the
screen grab i have these margin borders displayed on screen, they're
really
annoying. how do i get rid of them?

mat




..`..
Little news for you Supernews... editing quoted text is done all the time.
Just because you can't find any real reason to censor UNI you are now
attempting to make up rules so that you can censor him.

Shame on you.





in article [Email Removed], Paul Davis -
Supernews Support at [Email Removed] wrote on 06/08/2004 8:31 AM:


QUOTE
Post editing again, I see, eh Uni?  If, by some strange, freak
occurrence, you haven't already been warned, publicly *or* privately,
about doing this, consider this a warning:

Post editing is considered by most (if not all) Usenet systems and
abuse administrators as actually being "Usenet Abuse".  While some
administrators won't spank users directly for actions including
nothing but post editing, if complaints are received about such
behavior, it is not abnormal to see posting privileges get permanently
revoked for nothing more than post editing.

You might want to think twice before you ever do that again.  While
I'm not one of our abuse administrators, I'm sure that Danhiel will
see this post.  And, if he hasn't already talked to you about this,
you can be sure that he'll count this message as a warning.

-Paul Davis - Supernews Support


Jeremy Nixon - Supernews
[Email Removed] wrote:

QUOTE
Little news for you Supernews... editing quoted text is done all the time.

Post-editing, in a way that misrepresents what the person said, is something
I consider abuse, especially when done constantly as in this case.

QUOTE
Just because you can't find any real reason to censor UNI you are now
attempting to make up rules so that you can censor him.

If we wanted to censor him, we wouldn't need a reason.

--
Jeremy | [Email Removed]

DevilsPGD
In message <<[Email Removed]>> Jeremy Nixon - Supernews
<[Email Removed]> did ramble:

QUOTE
Just because you can't find any real reason to censor UNI you are now
attempting to make up rules so that you can censor him.

If we wanted to censor him, we wouldn't need a reason.

Feel free to contact me if you'd like a user complaint about him -- I'm
both a corporate customer and an indi customer of Supernews, as well as
a user of a couple of newsgroups where Uni posts.

He is the first person in reason memory I've actually killfiled due to
post editing, normally I only use killfiles to handle flooding and I
just have flagged posts as read from people I don't want to hear from.

I switch my filters on and off occasionally to see if I'm missing
anything of value, and Uni has not disappointed me, he's going right
back on the list.

I don't normally file complaints about much of anything anymore, but
post editing is one of a few offenses where I might.


--
Eat right, exercise, die anyway.

..`..
in article 9Noxc.6214039$[Email Removed], DevilsPGD at
[Email Removed] wrote on 06/08/2004 12:51 PM:

QUOTE
In message <<[Email Removed]>> Jeremy Nixon - Supernews
<[Email Removed]> did ramble:

Just because you can't find any real reason to censor UNI you are now
attempting to make up rules so that you can censor him.

If we wanted to censor him, we wouldn't need a reason.

Feel free to contact me if you'd like a user complaint about him -- I'm
both a corporate customer and an indi customer of Supernews, as well as
a user of a couple of newsgroups where Uni posts.

He is the first person in reason memory I've actually killfiled due to
post editing, normally I only use killfiles to handle flooding and I
just have flagged posts as read from people I don't want to hear from.

I switch my filters on and off occasionally to see if I'm missing
anything of value, and Uni has not disappointed me, he's going right
back on the list.

I don't normally file complaints about much of anything anymore, but
post editing is one of a few offenses where I might.



Not surprising that bigots and censors flock together.

I spit on your words.

..`..
in article [Email Removed], Jeremy Nixon - Supernews at
[Email Removed] wrote on 06/08/2004 11:37 AM:

QUOTE
[Email Removed] wrote:

Little news for you Supernews... editing quoted text is done all the time.

Post-editing, in a way that misrepresents what the person said, is something
I consider abuse...

Too bad for you.

Your opinion does not count.

..`..
in article [Email Removed], Jeremy Nixon - Supernews at
[Email Removed] wrote on 06/08/2004 11:37 AM:


QUOTE
Post-editing, in a way that misrepresents what the person said, is something
I consider abuse,


The original message is still in the newsgroup so there is really nothing
for you to cry about. There is no "abuse".

..`..
in article 9Noxc.6214039$[Email Removed], DevilsPGD at
[Email Removed] wrote on 06/08/2004 12:51 PM:

QUOTE
In message <<[Email Removed]>> Jeremy Nixon - Supernews
<[Email Removed]> did ramble:

Just because you can't find any real reason to censor UNI you are now
attempting to make up rules so that you can censor him.

If we wanted to censor him, we wouldn't need a reason.

Feel free to contact me if you'd like a user complaint about him ...


Nothing like a lynching, is there, bigot boy.

Drew
..`.. wrote:

QUOTE
Post-editing, in a way that misrepresents what the person said, is something
I consider abuse,



The original message is still in the newsgroup so there is really nothing
for you to cry about.  There is no "abuse".


This coming from the master of post-editing, Mike.

Humorous.

Drew

..`..
in article [Email Removed], Drew at
[Email Removed] wrote on 06/08/2004 2:34 PM:


QUOTE
This coming from the master of post-editing, me.

Humorous.



hahahaha.

Yes.

48073
"..`.." <[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE
in article [Email Removed], Jeremy Nixon - Supernews at
[Email Removed] wrote on 06/08/2004 11:37 AM:


Post-editing, in a way that misrepresents what the person said, is something
I consider abuse,


The original message is still in the newsgroup

This doesn't always have to be the case. It depends on how you
configure your newsreader. If you catch up with a newsgroup you might
not have the whole thread available, but jump in somewhere in the
middle of a couple of threads.
Or someone was bright enough to crosspost the thread somewhere in the
middle.

If you didn't read a whole thread it may not be obvious someone
altered some posting.

You provoke free speech M., not unknown censorship.

48073.

Aratzio
in article 9Noxc.6214039$[Email Removed], DevilsPGD at
[Email Removed] wrote on 06/08/2004 12:51 PM:


QUOTE

I don't normally file complaints about much of anything anymore, but
post editing is one of a few offenses where I might.


Blah Blah Blah

..`..
in article [Email Removed], 48073 at
[Email Removed] wrote on 06/08/2004 3:59 PM:

QUOTE
"..`.." <[Email Removed]> wrote:

in article [Email Removed], Jeremy Nixon - Supernews at
[Email Removed] wrote on 06/08/2004 11:37 AM:


Post-editing, in a way that misrepresents what the person said, is something
I consider abuse,


The original message is still in the newsgroup

This doesn't always have to be the case.

If the newsgroup is being archived, then the original message is there for
anyone to find. Not my problem if someone writes in an UNarchived newsgroup
and then whines about the original message being gone.

I will continue to edit quoted material as I see fit.


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