Faith (true faith) would exist even in the existance of evidence that
DISPROVED the belief. If mere evidence would change their minds they
never believed in the first place and were only hedging their bets.

Name them. Also demonstrate that they were sane. If someone told you
they saw someone dead walking around today you'd doubt their sanity
wouldn't you?

And Jim Jones got something like 500 people to drink poison kool aide.
There is no limit to what stupid people will do in the throws of
religious silliness.

Are you of the opinion that the cities of Greece and Rome no longer exist?

and about four billion are not. Can't do better than a third eh?

'Made mankind in the beginning'. Wow. Spectacular ignorance even for
a thumper. You need to learn some history.

Pioneers? Building cabins are you?
>

How do you know that they are not the "true" gods that deserve your worship?

Pedophiles that drive expensive RVs that were paid for by the parents of
the children they molest. Must be a pretty good deal going to get those
benefits.

It is unfortunate that you have such little factual information.

And thousands claimed to have seen Zeus. I guess, according to your
criteria, he was real, too?

Sent days after

Your entire argument is a logical fallacy: it's called "appeal to
popularity" and it proves nothing.

At one time, the entire civilized world believed the world was flat. Did
the fact that a lot of people believed it to be flat actually make it
flat?

Yeah, and the folks who believe in all the other religions say the same
thing about yours. So far, the one thing you all have in common with
each other is that not one of you has been able to actually produce this
god-thing you claim to believe in for examination.

Kind of out numbered you and all you could dig up, one should learn that
when that many folks believe something and it been that way for over two
thousand years, you ignorant or just stupid. People been trying for years
to prove you are correct, then God still heals today as He did on earth
2,000 years ago, changes life's and so on, so the proof is in the tasting.
You must believe in some invisible fairy in the sky or where every you live,
we do not.

There mostly is a few less then one percent of the priest that the Catholic
Church has. Again you show your ignorant, and in public at that, kind of
silly.

You could of been if you lived two thousand years ago.

The eye witness's that were there and seen it, also recorded in the Holy
Bible.

Seems you got superman confused, then I also like the wind and don't see it,
and the heat is great as the cold that comes in its invisible way, as
anything but ridiculous. You look silly.

<snip>

friends don't spam newsgroups, seems like Greenzap feel the
same way;

"GreenZap strictly enforces a no tolerance policy when it comes to
spam. We prohibit the sending of unsolicited mass messages of any
kind. GreenZaps referral and rewards program is meant to be fun
and encourage members to build the community and earn rewards.
Anyone who is found to have spammed other internet users in an
attempt to gain referral rewards will lose their GreenZap account
privileges.

How do I report spammers?

GreenZap encourages their members to help keep their community
secure. One way to do this is for you to only invite good people
into your community. If you feel someone spammed you, please
contact us at abuse (at) greenzap.com. "

-------------

For the convenience of those who would like to complain here
is a two click solution using previously developed T technology

a.c.s. poster know what that means :)

http://www.gibnet.com/cgi-bin/greenzap.cgi

enjoy.
--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

Naturally you'd clear that with the patient first. Seems some surgery
patients are more than happy to show off their great results. hmm.

Sounds nice but who wants to look like something out of the dark ages...

Ah, wait! I remember you're fondness for woodcuts [the health club ad!]

Not quite sure what you're after but here's some things to look at:
http://www.geocities.com/kyls_clipart/ <--- check the 'women' catagory
http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/9729/08/index.htm
http://www.retrokat.com/medieval/vipe.htm

Good luck with it, Yitz, I know you'll do a bang up job.

__Gem

Aren't you dead yet?

Always amusing when spammers fail basic English. Imagine what other
failures will occur with their buggy software. If you have a Royal
Flush and your opponent has a pair of twos, they'll probably declare
your opponent the winner.

Go away, Dickshit! (that's the actual name of the founder, the truth
is stranger than fiction!)

Partypoker breaks Usenet rules by spamming their inappropriate
advertisements onto non-advertising newsgroups. Therefore they cannot
be trusted. They'll commit identity theft with your bank account
numbers, credit card numbers, etc. Partypoker was founded by
Hindustani. Hindus in India are known for identity theft and other
crimes.

One partypoker founder is a California lawyer who made her fortune from
Internet , exploiting abused people.

You shouldn't play poker, but if you do, play poker in a gambling house
whose profits go to the USA, not India, and go with a company that
doesn't SPAM!

I have learned that there is always a sucker in every pokergame.

If you have been in the game for more than 5 minutes and
haven't figured out who the sucker is; it is You!.

Playint poker against a machine makes it abundantly clear who
is the sucker. It is not the machine.

Or, go enter a real poker competition with some really high
stakes and some really good opponents.

-- mrr

I hope you can tell us what it is they figured out?!

Yes. But you dont actually have to stick "copyright © ...." to be
protected by copyright laws in most countries. The fact that you created
the page gives you natural copyright over YOUR layout and YOUR content,
assuming you didn't "borrow" them from somewhere else in the first
place. For example, if you make a sexy news page but actually steal the
news from news.bbc.co.uk, you own the copyright to your layout, but the
BBC owns the copyright to the articles your took, and might not like you
using them.

If you are really worried, consult a lawyer.

--


x theSpaceGirl (miranda)

# lead designer @ http://www.dhnewmedia.com #
# remove NO SPAM to email, or use form on website #

over 1 MILLION DOLLARS !!!

web traffic.

newbie to succeed online? None)

(and we know what will sell) ... but all we could do was work harder and
harder, more and more hours each week to compete with the ever growing
competition.

e-commerce.

the water. and even then, it's not like it used to be, just a few months
back.

Know, But Who You Know!

vision, not a continuation nor a follower.

side.

of my chair.

advertisement. STEPHAN IS RIGHT!!!

internet and on making money.

perfect 5/5 critic:

VISITORS paying him over 1 MILLION DOLLARS in just the past weeks.

week.

Why did you bother quoting the whole thing then?

--
Ben M.

No they won't. It was a valid charge that you entered into. And it would be
the laws of India, not of the USA that would probably apply.

5) Be responsible and report them to their upstream provider for abuse.
If their upstream provider doesn't comply or take your complaint
seriously, report it to the provider above *them* (e.g. the ARIN
equivalent for India).

Matt

there is a saying in Indian language which means that if a person is suffering from jaundice
he will see everything as yellow.

Same with son of a whore called Terry Lomax. Since this mediocre white American got his
ass kicked by Indians in the job market he sees Indian conspiracy even when he gets
diarrhea.

Here is the proof that Terry Lomax was fired from his job bcos smarter indians
could do his job better at cheaper price.Taken from TL's old postings

Me too, I'm sure there are hundreds if not thousands of such companies,
but I doubt the model actually works well. Am a victim of such an
incident. All positions on entire team eliminated, with the workers
from India being moved to other teams while the Americans lose their
jobs in the "restructuring". In addition, the company outsourced most
of its development to Wipro. Now they have their own development
office in India. The office where I used to work is vacant; the few
remaining people had to move to the central office in another city.
Most of the jobs in the USA are probably "suits" and sales whores.

====================

this coming from his own experience

Canada isn't the only place companies try to keep hush-hush about
offshoring. Here in the USA, it's common practice for companies to
try to keep quiet decisions to give all the jobs to foreigners.

In 2001 a corporation sent an internal email to employees, saying they
were outsourcing software development to India, to choose between
Wipro and some other India company. The email had a big notice of "DO
NOT TELL ANYONE ABOUT THIS INFORMATION - IT NEEDS TO BE SECRET". The
company has since gone on to open their own branch in Bangalore.


When an American is laid off with the American's job duties given to
an H1B or similar visa holder, or to offshoring, the company often
coerces the American to keep quiet. Severence pay buys the American's
silence, or more accurately, the threat of no severence pay is used to
deter the American from speaking. In areas the company can control,
such as company email, the company censors emails related to the
departure of Americans. If an American is told he's going to be
fired, he might try to write a "goodbye" email to co-workers. The
company doesn't want remaining workers to know about the layoffs, so
the company recalls any emails that might expose the ugly secret of
Americans being terminated. The American is escorted to the exit of
the office building so nobody can ask him why he's leaving.


The fact that corporations try to hide the fact they're offshoring is
proof that offshoring is a bad thing.

No it has nothing to do with being bad or anything like that. They
dont want to create any unnecessary publicity as it could adversely
affect the morale of the remaining workers (creating apprehension and
anxiety) or create a negative impact on the hiring process, just to
name a few.

indiaBPOking.

I know the founders are from India because "indiabpoking" spammed a
news article about the company in alt.computer.consultants (and his
usual other newsgroups such as soc.culture.australian).

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.co...84c22a89e?hl=en

The company went IPO (people from India are extremely fond of IPOs;
many of them were involved in failed Silicon Valley IPOs in the late
1990s). Some people from India bragged that partypoker.com was already
worth more than many household name corporations. The message xposting
included soc.culture.indian; some people from India spoke out against
the company because of its moral bankruptcy. The company is so vile,
even many people in India dislike them. I pointed out that online
poker sites have been known to go out of business, such as the "Dutch"
site that closed down after numerous chargebacks from customers. AFAIK
Dutch didn't spam the Internet in inappropriate forums the way the
Partypoker people have been doing.

One of the Hindustani has the name Dikshit. Am not making that up; the
truth is stranger than fiction. If you plug "dikshit" and
"partypoker.com" into a search engine, you'll find plenty of articles
about them.

The Hindustani, who teamed up with some American lawyer whore with a
history of peddling , have the gambling site registered in
Gibraltar for the same reason American bookies have their Internet
sports betting sites in Bermuda: gambling laws are much less
restrictive there.

They are actually based in Gibraltar, so its Gibraltar law which is
enforcable across the EU
--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

i can't identify what it is, who it's for or what it's suppose to
represent. i'm guessing a company beginning with V and something to do
with skiing/snow/mountains?...i dunno.

instead of being caught up in colours, drop shadows and other useless
effects you should concentrate on the concept first.

Hi,

Thanks for your reply!

I can see what you mean, with the caveat that I wouldn't be able to guess
from Apple's logo that they made computers, or from Nike's that they made
shoes etc., in fact looking through this book of corporate logos, this is
true of most of them. I think however that I have fallen into the trap of
calling an emblem a logo, after all, the very definition of a logo states
that the typeface should be legible (the definition that I have does
anyway). So it's an emblem that I am asking for criticism of, not a logo.
Sorry for the confusion! It's for a software company working in the video
and broadcast graphics subsector (think sports graphics, news, election
coverage etc.). The style mirrors the type of production graphics currently
in vogue in the sector of the market that we interact with.

What do you mean? I will be honest and say that I am at this point more
concerned about aesthetics than trying to convey massive amounts of
information through the emblem, but I am very interested in what you have to
say. Having lurked here for a while I have a lot of respect for your
opinions.

Thanks again.

You are not using the correct visual clues to communicate the type of
business that the company is engaged in. There is a "visual vocabulary"
that you are not using or that you don't know.

As a visual communicator it is your job to know how to communicate visually.
You are not doing your job.

Gambling debts are not enforcable in the Kingdoms of Norway or Sweden.
ISTR this also applies to Finland.

In Norway knowingly attemting to enforce such debts is a a crime in
itself. You therefore only have to inform a credit card company about
the nature of a gambling charge to have it removed.

If you have payed the bill, or it is a debit card transaction you
cannot take this action. Gambling for cash is perfectly enforacble.

-- mrr

Your logo or emblem is a random selection of shapes that is meaningless
to anyone who doesn't know the company or the business it's in. In
essence, it's not telling me anything. As a designer it's your
responsibility to communicate a message, idea, thought, feeling,
attitude etc through design. Logo work is even more complex because you
have to capture alot of info into a single graphic that will be used for
all sorts of purposes.

thank you.

Indeed. However, they are telling you something about that companies
*attitude* to that businesss. We're in the business of connotation as
well as denotation. If Apples logo were to denote anything other than
'APPLE Inc' then their brand guys have failed. ;-)

The logo you've designed says 'complex, heavy, mechanical, disorder,
fragmented', in a big way.

I'd expect to see it in an early 90's computer game, where it's the logo
of 'cyber-corp' an evil corporation. Or potentailly an extreme sports
equipment brand, but its got a way to go before it would work in that
context.

So the company will have to change their logo / marque when these 'type
of production graphics' are no longer in vogue? That could cost them a
lot of money, to have to change their logo every 3 months. You have a
responsibility as a designer to educate the client into thinking about
their logo (and 'brand') as a long term investment.

Making a logo is a graphic design job, not a fine-art peice.
Primary concern: communicate, the aesthetics must uphold the idea, not
replace one.

Davmon
-------

I am not a lawyer, however I would not view a credit card transaction
as a gambling debt, its a prepayment for a service. I believe its
constructed that way by the companies concerned.

The service is legal in Gibraltar and decisions of the Gibraltar court
can be automatically applied in other EU member states, you would
need to appeal here rather than there and could be a most expensive
gamble.

If you want to steal money there are better ways.
--
Jim Watt
http://www.gibnet.com

The differences between the examples you've cited and your proposed
logo are simplicity and clarity.

The "apple" may not say "computers," but it does say "apple" -- which
is the company name. There is no confusion whatsoever about what the
logo means or who it belongs to.

The Nike swoosh is, admittedly, a bit more vague, but even so, it
carries meaning. It conveys feelings of movement and energy. Some
people can see the "wing" it represents (the name "Nike" is a goddess
represented with wings on her feet). The simplicity of the symbol
offers excellent retention -- no one confuses it for anything else. It
took a lot of work and money to make the symbol so well-known, but the
job was made easier by the simple elegance of the design.

How will your design stand apart from the hundreds of other logos that
also rely on geometric shapes? How does it represent the company? If
it's not speaking to some unique aspect of the company, how does it
relate to the industry? Is there some specific meaning behind your
design choices? Or did you just put it together in a way you felt
looked good? What was your plan? (Even if the specific meaning behind
a logo is not obvious, almost ALL well-designed logos have *some*
meaning behind them.)

Logos aren't just about aesthetics. They are about communication.
What, specifically, will fancy effects do to aid communication? How
will a drop shadow represent the policies and ideals of the company?

-- Robert

Stop all this crap you asshole and get outa here.

indiaBPOking.