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Alex K.
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 14:00:21 -0400, "Fred Doyle"
<[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE
People obviously have some problem understanding what the terms "free
speech" and "censorship" really mean, but so what. Some think that whatever
they say ok, because they have "free speech" everyone will support their
right to say it. It sounds like a few may be getting a direct lesson in what
free speech really means and what its real limits are.

I loved this line from above. "I use the system as I wish, and if I choose
to call it Free Speech, then that is what it is." In other words, "If I call
my a$$ my elbow, then it is my elbow, and even if everyone else says I don't
know my a$$ from my elbow, I must because I say so."

LMAO! Funniest thing I've read in this thread! And just in case you
don't know, this Roy is just another incarnation of the very troll you
guys have been talking about. You don't even need to check headers,
you can easily tell by the nature of its messages. The only ones who
defend it are its own socks.

--
Alex

Roy Peterson
in article [Email Removed], Uni at
[Email Removed] wrote on 06/10/2004 12:28 PM:

QUOTE
Onideus Mad Hatter wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 11:09:20 -0700, Roy Peterson <RoyPeterson@RoyPeterson
wrote:


I nominate Aratzio for Kook Groupie Kook Award!  For being the best Uni
Groupie around.


I second.

Should I feel honored?

:-)

Uni - setting new standards for NSPs.




Only if some besides Aratzio wins.

Uni
Rebecca Ore wrote:
QUOTE
In article <BCEDF409.108EA2%RoyPeterson@RoyPeterson>,
Roy Peterson <RoyPeterson@RoyPeterson> wrote:


in article [Email Removed], Fred Doyle at
[Email Removed] wrote on 06/10/2004 11:00 AM:



I loved this line from above. "I use the system as I wish, and if I choose
to call it Free Speech, then that is what it is." In other words, "If I call
my a$$ my elbow, then it is my elbow, and even if everyone else says I don't
know my a$$ from my elbow, I must because I say so."

Talk about a poor confused soul. I laughed a long time at that silliness.



If I choose to say my postings are protected speech, and I have broken no
law, then I am correct --- and there is nothing you can do about it.


Supernews didn't think so and didn't allow so, so what you have proven
is that other people correctly call you nuts.

Watch it, Roy. Becky may throw the book at you. Nothing legally, mind
you, just the tons of books she wrote that didn't sell.

:-)

Uni

Roy Peterson
in article [Email Removed], Rebecca Ore
at [Email Removed] wrote on 06/10/2004 12:19 PM:


QUOTE
In real life, annoying people for years is often prosecuted as stalking.

Newsgroups allow for filtering of "annoying" people. You can't become
annoyed unless you allow it to happen.

You are responsible for what you choose to read and what you choose to feel
as a result of reading those words.

The author is not responsible for what YOU choose to feel.




QUOTE
You and Uni aren't just making annoying statements in the support of a
high belief.  You're deliberately making annoying statements for years
on end...

None of which is against the law. So get over it.






QUOTE
disrupting other people's conversations.

Not possible in a newsgroup.

You are being overly dramatic.





QUOTE

I used to support people who were annoying on line, but there comes a
time when the good conversations between people who respect each other,
even with a few ugly words (and Robert and I have exchanged some in the
past) is worth more collectively than one or two people's right to be
ugly.

Your choices of where the "line" is drawn is irrelevant.






QUOTE
And I don't believe in free speech.

What you choose to believe is up to you. It is not my concern.

Will Sansbury
Don't know if this e-mail is valid or not... but a little ego-surfing
got me to the ADG archives on Google, and this post.

So just thought I'd let you know: it's happened. Sarah's 8mos
pregnant as we speak. You can see pics at
http://sansburys.blogs.com/bean/

Hope you're well.

Will

sistercarol wrote:
QUOTE
Nyah nyah nyah!!!!!  HA HA HA!!!!

You need to have one so you can wait on your wife hand and foot
during this delicate period in her life.  :-)

--Carol

Will Sansbury <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:A82P4.128968$[Email Removed]...
Huh... funny story about that post...

When I was writing it, my nosey 15 year old brother-in-law was
in the room.
He thought I was writing about my wife.  So now we're having to
explain to
the whole dang extended family that no, we're not having a baby.

whs
http://mentalsoup.net


"sistercarol" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message

news:oHWO4.40675$[Email Removed]...
I HEARD that!

--Carol

Will Sansbury <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:vTIO4.125600$[Email Removed]...

"Ariel Gross" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:[Email Removed]...

Did I hit a nerve or something
**PsssT!  Ariel!  she's pregnant... anything hits a nerve!

whs
http://mentalsoup.net







Far Canal
Uni wrote -


QUOTE
sicking Brandon on me, for the x-teenth time:


Oh Mummy tard, I think he's gonna cry.

Gem
QUOTE
Will Sansbury:
So just thought I'd let you know:  it's happened.  Sarah's 8mos
pregnant as we speak.

Will hello!!! That's FabULoUS!!! :)
Hope you both/all are doing great!

QUOTE
http://sansburys.blogs.com/bean/

She looks adorable! She reminds me of Angelina Jolie. [a compliment, as I think
AJ is really beautiful]
Can't wait to see the little 'Bean'.

Good Luck to you and yours!!!

---
Gem
if you still have my email you can send me some pic!

Rebecca Ore
In article <BCEE0765.108FB4%RoyPeterson@RoyPeterson>,
Roy Peterson <RoyPeterson@RoyPeterson> wrote:

QUOTE
in article [Email Removed], Rebecca Ore
at [Email Removed] wrote on 06/10/2004 12:19 PM:


In real life, annoying people for years is often prosecuted as stalking.

Newsgroups allow for filtering of "annoying" people.  You can't become
annoyed unless you allow it to happen.

I especially like Supernews' filtering of annoying people, and will
probably become a subscriber soon.




QUOTE
None of which is against the law.  So get over it.

Filtering you or TOSing you, or dropping posts from Astraweb for not
curbing you isn't against the law, either.

QUOTE



disrupting other people's conversations.

Not possible in a newsgroup.

You are being overly dramatic.






I used to support people who were annoying on line, but there comes a
time when the good conversations between people who respect each other,
even with a few ugly words (and Robert and I have exchanged some in the
past) is worth more collectively than one or two people's right to be
ugly.

Your choices of where the "line" is drawn is irrelevant.






And I don't believe in free speech.

What you choose to believe is up to you.  It is not my concern.


Rebecca Ore
In article <BCEE02F8.108F9E%RoyPeterson@RoyPeterson>,
Roy Peterson <RoyPeterson@RoyPeterson> wrote:


QUOTE

Supernews has shown themselves to not be a valid judge.  They lie, they use
forged data to attempt to justify their acts, they make up rules and then
add them later to the TOS.

So, run your own newsserver. If you can get a DSL connection with a
static IP, you can contribute to freedom of speech and all sorts of
stuff.

The advice I had from Chris Caputo when I ran a server for some people
he'd TOS'ed was to make sure I kept my options open because the boys
would try all sort of things I hadn't covered in the TOS yet.

QUOTE

So I judge them to be irrelevant.  Just like you.


Martin_S
in article [Email Removed], Rebecca Ore
at [Email Removed] wrote on 06/10/2004 1:53 PM:

QUOTE
In article <BCEE0765.108FB4%RoyPeterson@RoyPeterson>,
Roy Peterson <RoyPeterson@RoyPeterson> wrote:

in article [Email Removed], Rebecca Ore
at [Email Removed] wrote on 06/10/2004 12:19 PM:


In real life, annoying people for years is often prosecuted as stalking.

Newsgroups allow for filtering of "annoying" people.  You can't become
annoyed unless you allow it to happen.

I especially like Supernews' filtering of annoying people, and will
probably become a subscriber soon.

Too bad it does not work in total. It just forces them to move to other
news hosts. So your need for someone to filter for you, is not very well
serviced, now is it.

Time for you to whine to someone with more power.

hahahahaha.





QUOTE
None of which is against the law.  So get over it.

Filtering you or TOSing you...

Too bad you were too lazy to do it yourself and had to rely on someone else
to do it for you.

hahahahaha.




QUOTE
or dropping posts from Astraweb for not
curbing you isn't against the law, either.

That has not happened.





QUOTE
disrupting other people's conversations.

Not possible in a newsgroup.

You are being overly dramatic.


Nice that you agree and have no comment.

hahahaha.

jbc
Roy Peterson <RoyPeterson@RoyPeterson> wrote
QUOTE
jbc wrote

Free Speech as to be exercised or it gets flabby.  If
people can't write as they really think and feel then
Free Speech is not worth much, now is it.

Which is not what the person you are defending...

I am writing my opinion.  If you see it as defending
"Uni", you are in error.

I am defending my right to write my opinions as I wish,
wherever I wish.

Maybe I use the wrong word. Maybe it should be 'standing by'
Uni. Which it certainly has every appearance of, also since
much of what you write in this and other threads involving
Uni does not have to do with opinions, let alone free
speech. If free speech is your main concern, it isn't coming
through. You 'sound' like an automated pro-Uni rifle gone
haywire and it's not doing your noble cause a favor.

QUOTE
is doing.

What "Uni" chooses to do is not my concern.

He
could indeed write 'I disagree' or 'I don't like you' or
'I want you to like me'. Or whatever he really thinks and
feels, as you put it. Instead he twists their literal
words and will never be open to a straight discussion.

That is not my problem, nor responsibility.

I was responding to your own words. It was you who wrote 'If
people can't write as they really think and feel then Free
Speech is not worth much, now is it.'

QUOTE
That is not
free speech and has nothing whatsoever to do with the
principle thereof.

Your opinion is noted, but it has little to do with what
"Uni" is allowed to do.

I think you are mixing things up. Never mind, I still think
this particular case has nothing to do with free speech and
everything with two parties not exactly into integrity. And
where integrity or a fair cause fought with fair means are
absent, anything goes - on both sides.

Joske

jbc
Roy Peterson <RoyPeterson@RoyPeterson> wrote
QUOTE
jbc wrote:

Supernews is showing itself to be not that
much better than Uni by joining in too many tiffs, and by
voicing (personal) opinions. At most.

Supernews throws it's weight around in the newsgroups way
too much for my taste.  They flaunt their ability to
censor people at their own whim, and then rewrite their
TOS later after they have done the censoring.

I have questioned them about that in the past and drew
the conclusion that personally I would not want them as
my news provider because to my taste they discuss their
users too much (publicly) with other users.

That is just one of their flaws.

The difference with Uni is that they have the 'power' of
banning and denying access to their server.

And for reasons that are not in the TOS but only added
later.

Post-editing can be done in several ways. Uni's ways
often seem fun or even harmless but sometimes they are
aimed at defamation and they aren't always based on
truth.

Take it to the newsgroup and rebut his untruths.

Supernews in my view is free to use the means it has to
counteract his less harmless attempts to defame people.

They are not lawyers.  They are not a court system.  They
should keep their noses out of this area because they are
not qualified to decide such things.

They have the means - as Uni has/had them for posting as he
did, and used them. That is all there is to it in this case
of two parties not quite flawless or well-endowed in the
credibility department.

Joske

QUOTE
If you feel that Uni and defamed you, then take it to
court.

Defending oneself is part of 'free speech' too ...

That is why you take it to the newsgroup and defend
yourself.


Rebecca Ore
In article <BCEE1A4F.109091%[Email Removed]>, Martin_S <[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE
in article [Email Removed], Rebecca Ore
at [Email Removed] wrote on 06/10/2004 1:53 PM:

In article <BCEE0765.108FB4%RoyPeterson@RoyPeterson>,
Roy Peterson <RoyPeterson@RoyPeterson> wrote:

in article [Email Removed], Rebecca Ore
at [Email Removed] wrote on 06/10/2004 12:19 PM:


In real life, annoying people for years is often prosecuted as stalking.

Newsgroups allow for filtering of "annoying" people.  You can't become
annoyed unless you allow it to happen.

I especially like Supernews' filtering of annoying people, and will
probably become a subscriber soon.

Too bad it does not work in total.  It just forces them to move to other
news hosts.  So your need for someone to filter for you, is not very well
serviced, now is it.

Time for you to whine to someone with more power.

hahahahaha.

Or go to places where annoying people don't stay annoying long. <Shrug>

And in the end, those of you who like annoying other people can annoy
each other to your hearts' contents away from all those people who got
tired of you.

Martin_S
in article caai7n$b9p$[Email Removed], jbc at [Email Removed]
wrote on 06/10/2004 2:02 PM:

QUOTE
Roy Peterson <RoyPeterson@RoyPeterson> wrote
jbc wrote

Free Speech as to be exercised or it gets flabby.  If
people can't write as they really think and feel then
Free Speech is not worth much, now is it.

Which is not what the person you are defending...

I am writing my opinion.  If you see it as defending
"Uni", you are in error.

I am defending my right to write my opinions as I wish,
wherever I wish.

Maybe I use the wrong word. Maybe it should be 'standing by'
Uni.

I will "stand by" anyone that I think is being unjustly censored. Even if I
don't like what that person writes, or what that person is "in to".





QUOTE
If free speech is your main concern, it isn't coming
through.

Shrug. I am not going to worry about it too much.






QUOTE
I was responding to your own words. It was you who wrote 'If
people can't write as they really think and feel then Free
Speech is not worth much, now is it.'

Yes, and I still think it is an accurate opinion.

Martin_S
in article caai7n$b9p$[Email Removed], jbc at [Email Removed]
wrote on 06/10/2004 2:02 PM:


QUOTE
Supernews in my view is free to use the means it has to
counteract his less harmless attempts to defame people.

They are not lawyers.  They are not a court system.  They
should keep their noses out of this area because they are
not qualified to decide such things.

They have the means...

Police have the means to kill you, but that does not mean that they should
do it. If you think "Uni" has committed a crime, take him to court. Asking
a news provider to censor him because you don't like what he writes is not
valid.

Martin_S
in article [Email Removed], Rebecca Ore
at [Email Removed] wrote on 06/10/2004 2:11 PM:

QUOTE
In article <BCEE1A4F.109091%[Email Removed]>, Martin_S <[Email Removed]> wrote:

in article [Email Removed], Rebecca Ore
at [Email Removed] wrote on 06/10/2004 1:53 PM:

In article <BCEE0765.108FB4%RoyPeterson@RoyPeterson>,
Roy Peterson <RoyPeterson@RoyPeterson> wrote:

in article [Email Removed], Rebecca Ore
at [Email Removed] wrote on 06/10/2004 12:19 PM:


In real life, annoying people for years is often prosecuted as stalking.

Newsgroups allow for filtering of "annoying" people.  You can't become
annoyed unless you allow it to happen.

I especially like Supernews' filtering of annoying people, and will
probably become a subscriber soon.

Too bad it does not work in total.  It just forces them to move to other
news hosts.  So your need for someone to filter for you, is not very well
serviced, now is it.

Time for you to whine to someone with more power.

hahahahaha.

Or go to places ...

Yes, that is best for you... run away.

Demetrius Zeluff
Roy Peterson <RoyPeterson@RoyPeterson> wrote in
news:BCEDE96E.108E10%RoyPeterson@RoyPeterson:

QUOTE
in article [Email Removed],
Demetrius Zeluff at [Email Removed] wrote on 06/10/2004 10:30 AM:


Not surprising that bigots and censors flock together.


Yep, that's what the problem is.

Then don't join them.


Post edit noted, abuse report sent.

Demetrius Zeluff
Aratzio <[Email Removed]> wrote in
news:[Email Removed]:

QUOTE
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 12:41:02 -0500, Demetrius Zeluff
<[Email Removed]> transparently proposed:

Roy Peterson <RoyPeterson@RoyPeterson> wrote in
news:BCEDCB40.108C58%RoyPeterson@RoyPeterson:

in article 40c877c3$0$93068$[Email Removed],
Mike Horwath at [Email Removed] wrote on 06/10/2004 8:01 AM:

In alt.binaries.news-server-comparison Fred Doyle
<[Email Removed]> wrote:
: Mike Christy is being chastised by Supernews

[snipper]

Are you saying that Mike Christy is Uni?



There are many goofballs that think that.  They are wrong, but that
does not stop them.

Calling you both fuckheaded wankbadgers doesn't mean we[tinw] think
you're the same person.

It was determined by the Friendly Neighborhood Vote Wrangler (FNVW) of
news:alt.usenet.kooks for purposes of usenet k00kery that the Unitard
and the Spammer ArtistMike (and all associated Socks, Frogs &
Forgeries) are one.

Cool!

I'll post edit:

"Calling AM a fuckheaded wank badger and uni a cocking fuck sucker
doesn't mean that we[tinw] think they're two people"

QUOTE
This is defined as either one unit having 2
personalities or two units sharing the same brain. So for purposes of
these and future discussions all references to one unit shall apply to
the other.

I do like the "fuckheaded wankbadgers" and promise to use it without
reference to whom I stole it from.

Please do, it needs to spread.

Demetrius Zeluff
Roy Peterson <RoyPeterson@RoyPeterson> wrote in
news:BCEDEFC3.108E76%RoyPeterson@RoyPeterson:

QUOTE
in article [Email Removed],
Demetrius Zeluff at [Email Removed] wrote on 06/10/2004 10:41 AM:

we think you're
the same person.


You and your invisible friends can think whatever you wish, but you
are a goofball.

Post edit noted
Morph noted

Abuse report sent.

Demetrius Zeluff
Uni <[Email Removed]> wrote in
news:[Email Removed]:

QUOTE
I caught them banning links to a free speech site. Was post rejected
in a reply, just like Artist Mike's URL was.

I bet this free speech site is the slimiest sleeziest pro spammer scummy
site around.

Jeremy Nixon - Supernews
Martin_S <[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE
I will "stand by" anyone that I think is being unjustly censored.  Even if I
don't like what that person writes, or what that person is "in to".

So will I. It seems we have something in common after all!

--
Jeremy | [Email Removed]

Aratzio
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:10:52 -0500, Demetrius Zeluff
<[Email Removed]> got double secret probation because:

QUOTE
Uni <[Email Removed]> wrote in
news:[Email Removed]:

I caught them banning links to a free speech site. Was post rejected
in a reply, just like Artist Mike's URL was.

I bet this free speech site is the slimiest sleeziest pro spammer scummy
site around.

Since you are responding to the 'Tard the site probably has to do with
children. AM is the spammer, 'Tard is Pretty Little Girl Pictures.

'Ratz

48073
Roy Peterson <RoyPeterson@RoyPeterson> wrote:


QUOTE
Free Speech as to be exercised or it gets flabby.  If people can't write as
they really think and feel then Free Speech is not worth much, now is it.

It's censorship when you don't give your opponent the same "freedom"
you have to express his opinion. Censorship is dictatorship. Dictators
are not what today's world really needs. Today fine men/women give
their lives to exterminate them.

48073.

Hoosierdaddy
Jeremy Nixon - Supernews <[Email Removed]> wrote: If we wanted to
censor him, we wouldn't need a reason.

Ahhh...the beauty of free enterprise. :-D

Roy Peterson
in article [Email Removed], Demetrius
Zeluff at [Email Removed] wrote on 06/10/2004 3:01 PM:

QUOTE
Roy Peterson <RoyPeterson@RoyPeterson> wrote in
news:BCEDE96E.108E10%RoyPeterson@RoyPeterson:

in article [Email Removed],
Demetrius Zeluff at [Email Removed] wrote on 06/10/2004 10:30 AM:


Not surprising that bigots and censors flock together.


Yep, that's what the problem is.

Then don't join them.


Post edit noted, crying whine sent.

Is there some reason to care?

Roy Peterson
in article [Email Removed], Demetrius
Zeluff at [Email Removed] wrote on 06/10/2004 3:06 PM:

QUOTE
Roy Peterson <RoyPeterson@RoyPeterson> wrote in
news:BCEDEFC3.108E76%RoyPeterson@RoyPeterson:

in article [Email Removed],
Demetrius Zeluff at [Email Removed] wrote on 06/10/2004 10:41 AM:

we think you're
the same person.


You and your invisible friends can think whatever you wish, but you
are a goofball.

Post edit noted
Morph noted

Abuse report sent.

Whaaaaaa he said I wrote silly things! Make him stop daddy-news host!

jbc
Martin_S <[Email Removed]> wrote
news:BCEE23A8.1090E9%[Email Removed]

Context and logic:

You wrote:
If people can't write as they really think and feel then
Free Speech is not worth much, now is it.

I responded to that:
QUOTE
He
could indeed write 'I disagree' or 'I don't like you' or
'I want you to like me'. Or whatever he really thinks and
feels, as you put it. Instead he twists their literal
words and will never be open to a straight discussion.

To which you replied:
QUOTE
That is not my problem, nor responsibility.

So I repeated:
QUOTE
I was responding to your own words. It was you who wrote
'If people can't write as they really think and feel
then Free Speech is not worth much, now is it.'

And now you state:
QUOTE
Yes, and I still think it is an accurate opinion.

So, in all, there are three parties exerting their needs in
different ways: you, Uni and Supernews. You want a
newsprovider to be straight to others where you are not (as
shown above with selective quoting and taking things out of
context), Uni wants to post-edit and defamate people, the
provider joins in with power play. There is not much anyone
can add in the way of reasonable discourse when people are
on rampages like that - hence my opinion Supernews too is
free to act as it wishes in this particular situation.

Joske

jbc
Martin_S <[Email Removed]> wrote
news:BCEE24A3.1090EB%[Email Removed]
QUOTE
jbc wrote

Supernews in my view is free to use the means it has to
counteract his less harmless attempts to defame people.

They are not lawyers.  They are not a court system.
They should keep their noses out of this area because
they are not qualified to decide such things.

They have the means...

I wrote in full:
They have the means - as Uni has/had them for posting as he
did, and used them. That is all there is to it in this case
of two parties not quite flawless or well-endowed in the
credibility department.

QUOTE
Police have the means to kill you, but that does not mean
that they should do it.  If you think "Uni" has committed
a crime, take him to court.  Asking a news provider to
censor him because you don't like what he writes is not
valid.

Police is goverment is us the people. A newsprovider is a
(private) business.

Expecting a private business to act as your daddy, that is
as the police who will neutrally come to your aid when you
say you need them, is not realistic. Expecting a private
business to be as trustworthy and neutral as one would like
the police or their daddy to be is laudable but not
realistic either.

It seems to me that is your expectancy, that every(one with)
authority should act like a trustworthy parent one can rely
on while one misbehaves. Should that not work both ways in
the adult world.

As I said, there are more parties involved in this power
rampage to force certain 'rights and wrongs' down each
other's throats, and I see the Supernews staff joining in as
merely one of them. It does not reflect well on them.

Joske

Roy Peterson
in article caaphd$jvq$[Email Removed], jbc at [Email Removed]
wrote on 06/10/2004 4:07 PM:


QUOTE
Expecting a private business to act as your daddy, that is
as the police who will neutrally come to your aid when you
say you need them, is not realistic. Expecting a private
business to be as trustworthy and neutral as one would like
the police or their daddy to be is laudable but not
realistic either.

So people vote with their dollars to support the news hosts that most
closely match their needs and philosophy. That is why posting Supernew's
activities in public newsgroups is a good thing. I support that. That is
how people make choices. They see companies in action and decide if they
want to support that action with their dollars.

That is the way it should be.

Writing an opinion about those activities is also allowed.





QUOTE
As I said, there are more parties involved in this power
rampage to force certain 'rights and wrongs' down each
other's throats, and I see the Supernews staff joining in as
merely one of them. It does not reflect well on them.

Joske


You being able to see Supernews in action is "all good".

Martin_S
in article caaphd$jvq$[Email Removed], jbc at [Email Removed]
wrote on 06/10/2004 4:06 PM:


QUOTE
So, in all, there are three parties exerting their needs in
different ways: you, Uni and Supernews. You want a
newsprovider to be straight to others where you are not (as
shown above with selective quoting and taking things out of
context)...

There is no need for me to respond to things and ideas that are not
interesting to me. Thus I don't quote them and I don't respond to them.




QUOTE
Uni wants to post-edit and defamate people...

If you think that is what he wants to do and you don't like it, take it up
with him.




QUOTE
the
provider joins in with power play.

Yes they did, and in my view overstepped the bounds of a news provider.






QUOTE
There is not much anyone
can add in the way of reasonable discourse when people are
on rampages like that - hence my opinion Supernews too is
free to act as it wishes in this particular situation.

They are indeed free to act as they wish, and people are free to make
decisions based upon those actions. Voting with dollars.

I would have it no other way.

Martin_S
in article [Email Removed], Aratzio at
[Email Removed] wrote on 06/10/2004 3:22 PM:

QUOTE
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 17:10:52 -0500, Demetrius Zeluff
<[Email Removed]> got double secret probation because:

Uni <[Email Removed]> wrote in
news:[Email Removed]:

I caught them banning links to a free speech site. Was post rejected
in a reply, just like Artist Mike's URL was.

I bet this free speech site is the slimiest sleeziest pro spammer scummy
site around.

Since you are responding to the 'Tard the site probably has to do with
children. AM is the spammer, 'Tard is Pretty Little Girl Pictures.

'Ratz




While the Ratz is up for the "Kook Groupie Kook of the Month" award.

hahahahaha.

Far Canal
jbc wrote -

QUOTE
Martin_S <[Email Removed]> wrote


Look at the headers - you are responding to the nymshifting forging
fuckwitted spammer mikey.

MartinS
Jeremy Nixon - Supernews <[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE
Martin_S  <[Email Removed]> wrote:

No I didn't........

QUOTE
I will "stand by" anyone that I think is being unjustly censored.
Even if I don't like what that person writes, or what that person
is "in to".

So will I.  It seems we have something in common after all!

You and Mike's socks?

--
Martin S.

MartinS
"jbc" <[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE
Martin_S <[Email Removed]> wrote
news:BCEE23A8.1090E9%[Email Removed]

No I didn't

QUOTE
Context and logic:

You wrote:
If people can't write as they really think and feel then
Free Speech is not worth much, now is it.

I responded to that:
He
could indeed write 'I disagree' or 'I don't like you' or
'I want you to like me'. Or whatever he really thinks and
feels, as you put it. Instead he twists their literal words and
will never be open to a straight discussion.

To which you replied:

No I didn't

QUOTE
That is not my problem, nor responsibility.

So I repeated:
I was responding to your own words. It was you who wrote
'If people can't write as they really think and feel then Free
Speech is not worth much, now is it.'

And now you state:

No I don't.

QUOTE
Yes, and I still think it is an accurate opinion.

So, in all, there are three parties exerting their needs in
different ways: you, Uni and Supernews. You want a
newsprovider to be straight to others where you are not (as
shown above with selective quoting and taking things out of
context), Uni wants to post-edit and defamate people, the
provider joins in with power play. There is not much anyone
can add in the way of reasonable discourse when people are
on rampages like that - hence my opinion Supernews too is
free to act as it wishes in this particular situation.

I didn't say any of the above. It was a Uni/AM forgery.

--
Martin S.

MartinS
Far Canal <[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE
jbc wrote -

Martin_S <[Email Removed]> wrote

Look at the headers - you are responding to the nymshifting forging
fuckwitted spammer mikey.

Maybe he just likes pissing into the wind.

--
Martin S.

Far Canal
MartinS wrote -


QUOTE
Maybe he just likes pissing into the wind.



The turd changed his name to Wind ???

Martin_S
in article 40c8fe08$0$45883$[Email Removed], MartinS
at [Email Removed] wrote on 06/10/2004 5:37 PM:


QUOTE
To which you replied:

No I didn't

You are not the only Martin S. in the world.

hahahahaha.

MartinS
Far Canal <[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE
MartinS wrote -

Maybe he just likes pissing into the wind.

The turd changed his name to Wind ???

The turd blows chunks.

--
Martin S.

Martin_S
in article 40c8fe08$0$45883$[Email Removed], MartinS
at [Email Removed] wrote on 06/10/2004 5:37 PM:


QUOTE
I didn't say any of the above.


No one wrote that you did "say" anything... you really don't know how Usenet
works, do you.

Plus you are not the only Martin S. in the world. Not everyone is writing
to you when they write to a "Martin S.".

hahahahaha.

rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski
"Jeremy Nixon - Supernews" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:[Email Removed]
QUOTE
In real life, anyone who went to a non-public gathering and was as
disruptive and malicious as Artist Mike and Uni wouldn't find their
actions protected as free speech.

Newsgroups are both public and private.  They have qualities of both
situations.  Thus your confusion.

They wouldn't find their actions protected as free speech in a public
place, either.

In the interest of semantic accuracy, that should be freedom of the
press. Usenet is publication, as is also a website. This also has more
relevance to semantics. If the feds were actually ever to try going after my
websites (they ain't exactly politically correct), I have little doubt with
a few phone calls I could get major media outlets to provide free legal
counsel. I'm just an ant. However, if the feds actually won People v.
Golaszewski in federal court, this could set a bad precedent that could be
used against big money media outlets.

QUOTE
One thing that *really* pisses me off is people who act like total
assholes and then hide behind the banner of "free speech", claiming it
somehow applies to them.  They don't even understand what it means,
and when they proceed to whine about "censorship", they don't
understand that, either.

Impossible on a practical level to censor anyone on Usenet. Just post
elsewhere. Unless someone believes there really IS a Usenet Cabal.
--
http://www.dextromethorphan.ws/
For information about the psychedelic DXM, including dangers.
"If I swallow anything evil, put your finger down my throat."
-The Who, "Behind Blue Eyes"

Jeremy Nixon - Supernews
jbc <[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE
So, in all, there are three parties exerting their needs in
different ways: you, Uni and Supernews. You want a
newsprovider to be straight to others where you are not (as
shown above with selective quoting and taking things out of
context), Uni wants to post-edit and defamate people, the
provider joins in with power play.

There is no "power play". As should be obvious, we do not have the power
to stop Uni from doing what he is doing. We do, however, have both the
power and the right to decide that enough is enough when it comes to
letting him do it from our system, because allowing him to continue
reflects badly upon us.

--
Jeremy | [Email Removed]

Martin_S
in article [Email Removed], Jeremy Nixon - Supernews at
[Email Removed] wrote on 06/10/2004 6:33 PM:

QUOTE
jbc <[Email Removed]> wrote:

So, in all, there are three parties exerting their needs in
different ways: you, Uni and Supernews. You want a
newsprovider to be straight to others where you are not (as
shown above with selective quoting and taking things out of
context), Uni wants to post-edit and defamate people, the
provider joins in with power play.

There is no "power play".  As should be obvious, we do not have the power
to stop Uni from doing what he is doing.  We do, however, have both the
power and the right to decide that enough is enough when it comes to
letting him do it from our system, because allowing him to continue
reflects badly upon us.


It only reflects "badly" if you don't support free speech , or "free press".

Martin_S
in article [Email Removed], Far Canal at
[Email Removed] wrote on 06/10/2004 6:03 PM:

QUOTE
MartinS wrote -


Maybe he just likes pissing into the wind.



The turd changed his name to Wind ???



Your fantasies are your own problem, Mr. Canal.

rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski
"Jeremy Nixon - Supernews" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:[Email Removed]
QUOTE
jbc <[Email Removed]> wrote:

So, in all, there are three parties exerting their needs in
different ways: you, Uni and Supernews. You want a
newsprovider to be straight to others where you are not (as
shown above with selective quoting and taking things out of
context), Uni wants to post-edit and defamate people, the
provider joins in with power play.

There is no "power play".  As should be obvious, we do not have the
power to stop Uni from doing what he is doing.  We do, however, have
both the power and the right to decide that enough is enough when it
comes to letting him do it from our system, because allowing him to
continue reflects badly upon us.

Right. I could sign up today for access through Supernews for 3 bucks a
month. The most SN could do to me is forbid me to post what they considered
unacceptable from their system. SN doesn't seem very powerful to me.
--
http://www.dextromethorphan.ws/
For information about the psychedelic DXM, including dangers.
"If I swallow anything evil, put your finger down my throat."
-The Who, "Behind Blue Eyes"

Aratzio
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 22:10:05 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
<[Email Removed]> got double secret probation because:

QUOTE
"Jeremy Nixon - Supernews" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:[Email Removed]
jbc <[Email Removed]> wrote:

So, in all, there are three parties exerting their needs in
different ways: you, Uni and Supernews. You want a
newsprovider to be straight to others where you are not (as
shown above with selective quoting and taking things out of
context), Uni wants to post-edit and defamate people, the
provider joins in with power play.

There is no "power play".  As should be obvious, we do not have the
power to stop Uni from doing what he is doing.  We do, however, have
both the power and the right to decide that enough is enough when it
comes to letting him do it from our system, because allowing him to
continue reflects badly upon us.

Right. I could sign up today for access through Supernews for 3 bucks a
month. The most SN could do to me is forbid me to post what they considered
unacceptable from their system. SN doesn't seem very powerful to me.

Look into the spinning Supernews hypnodrive. You are getting sleepy,
sleepy. You will purchase the $6.00 SN acount. Go Robert and do not
troll again.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

'Ratz



--

A Number 1, Grade A, Prime USDA 'Ratz
Accept No Substitute

rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski
"Aratzio" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:[Email Removed]
QUOTE
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 22:10:05 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
<[Email Removed]> got double secret probation because:

Right. I could sign up today for access through Supernews for 3
bucks a month. The most SN could do to me is forbid me to post what
they considered unacceptable from their system. SN doesn't seem very
powerful to me.

Look into the spinning Supernews hypnodrive. You are getting sleepy,
sleepy. You will purchase the $6.00 SN acount. Go Robert and do not
troll again.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Why would I pay $6 for what I could get for $3? As I never had any contact
with the abuse folks at SN, I can't imagine they'd care.
--
http://www.dextromethorphan.ws/
For information about the psychedelic DXM, including dangers.
"If I swallow anything evil, put your finger down my throat."
-The Who, "Behind Blue Eyes"

Aratzio
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 22:32:59 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
<[Email Removed]> got double secret probation because:

QUOTE
"Aratzio" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:[Email Removed]
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 22:10:05 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
<[Email Removed]> got double secret probation because:

Right. I could sign up today for access through Supernews for 3
bucks a month. The most SN could do to me is forbid me to post what
they considered unacceptable from their system. SN doesn't seem very
powerful to me.

Look into the spinning Supernews hypnodrive. You are getting sleepy,
sleepy. You will purchase the $6.00 SN acount. Go Robert and do not
troll again.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Why would I pay $6 for what I could get for $3? As I never had any contact
with the abuse folks at SN, I can't imagine they'd care.

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

As that flys right over the cough syrup kings head.

'Ratz


--

A Number 1, Grade A, Prime USDA 'Ratz
Accept No Substitute

MartinS
in article BCEE54A5.1091BE%[Email Removed], somebody pretending to be
Martin_S <[Email Removed]> wrote on Thu, 10 Jun 2004 18:10:45 -0700:

QUOTE
in article 40c8fe08$0$45883$[Email Removed],
MartinS at [Email Removed] wrote on 06/10/2004 5:37 PM:

To which you replied:

No I didn't

You are not the only Martin S. in the world.

Neither are you. I noticed you changed your nym after I changed mine.

--
Martin S.

MartinS
in article <BCEE554B.1091BF%[Email Removed]>, someone forging Martin_S
<[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE
in article 40c8fe08$0$45883$[Email Removed],
MartinS at [Email Removed] wrote on 06/10/2004 5:37 PM:

I didn't say any of the above.

No one wrote that you did "say" anything... you really don't know
how Usenet works, do you.

Plus you are not the only Martin S. in the world.  Not everyone is
writing to you when they write to a "Martin S.".

Right, it's easy to tell which are the forgeries.

--
Martin S.

rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski
"Aratzio" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:[Email Removed]...
QUOTE
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 22:32:59 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
<[Email Removed]> got double secret probation because:

"Aratzio" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:[Email Removed]
On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 22:10:05 -0400, "rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski"
<[Email Removed]> got double secret probation because:

Right. I could sign up today for access through Supernews for 3
bucks a month. The most SN could do to me is forbid me to post what
they considered unacceptable from their system. SN doesn't seem very
powerful to me.

Look into the spinning Supernews hypnodrive. You are getting sleepy,
sleepy. You will purchase the $6.00 SN acount. Go Robert and do not
troll again.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Why would I pay $6 for what I could get for $3? As I never had any
contact
with the abuse folks at SN, I can't imagine they'd care.

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

As that flys right over the cough syrup kings head.

Umm...do you refer to trolling? WHEN did I deny such? ;)
--
http://www.dextromethorphan.ws/
For information about the psychedelic DXM, including dangers.
"If I swallow anything evil, put your finger down my throat."
-The Who, "Behind Blue Eyes"


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