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Ron George

Jun 25 2003, 07:18 AM

"Hunter Elliott"

QUOTE

"Ron George"
"Sandi"

As Tony said, the only way to assure no-one copies your work is not
to
post
it....

I am not concerned about people saving my pictures, but would like to
know if I can prevent people from linking to my pictures. I used an
online checker yesterday and found web sites (can you believe a few
real estate sites) that are actually linking to some of my "Arizona"
pictures, not even the decency to right click and put them on their
own site.....
I know I can just change the name, then their link goes poof,, but
that could get to be a pain... I have MANY pictures, and found more
then a few that others have linked too..
Sandi

htaccess

not if you're on an NT or W2K server - they don't use .htaccess files

Well, that would be a bigger problem than having people stealing your
images! Fix that immediately!

--
Ron
----------------------------------
http://rongeorge.com
http://stingraydesignz.com

artonio7/Tony/Anthony/

Jun 25 2003, 08:54 AM

QUOTE

"LauraK" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:[Email Removed]...
but it's sooooo hot and sticky! Randy let's take a dip!

--
With warm regards,
Tony
http://artonio7.com

Can I come, local river's dried up ;)

The Tennessee, Clinch, Little Pigeon and all the others are running high
and
wide, thanks to all the rain we had this spring.
Hot here -- over 100 today -- but dry and pleasant with a cool breeze
off
the
mountains in the evening. Turned off the air conditioner and opened the
windows.
The apartment complex pool is outside my office window. I'll head out
there
when it gets less crowded with kids. :)

[Email Removed]
http://www.madmousergraphics.com
web design, print design, photography

I'm in the UK, not many rivers here you'd care to go anywhere near due to
complete lack of control over pollution from a succession of goverments,
but
I'm hoping to get over to Norway to see family in the next 2 months where
I
know it'll be 80 - 100 & plenty of lovely, clean lakes & rivers to go
diving
about in :)

artonio7/Tony/Anthony/

Jun 25 2003, 08:57 AM

QUOTE

The summer home up in Oregon is about to have us stop by for the summer.

http://www.artistmike.com/3d.pics/SwingByRiver.32-tb.html

http://www.artistmike.com/3d.pics/2.html

in article [Email Removed], LauraK at
[Email Removed] wrote on 6/24/03 4:43 PM:

but it's sooooo hot and sticky! Randy let's take a dip!

--
With warm regards,
Tony
http://artonio7.com

Can I come, local river's dried up ;)

The Tennessee, Clinch, Little Pigeon and all the others are running high
and
wide, thanks to all the rain we had this spring.
Hot here -- over 100 today -- but dry and pleasant with a cool breeze
off the
mountains in the evening. Turned off the air conditioner and opened the
windows.
The apartment complex pool is outside my office window. I'll head out
there
when it gets less crowded with kids. :)

[Email Removed]
http://www.madmousergraphics.com
web design, print design, photography

--
Mike

* Logo Design *
Put some fun in your next logo!

Site at: http://www.artistmike.com

artonio7/Tony/Anthony/

Jun 25 2003, 08:58 AM

mmmm... an office overlooking the water???? you lucky or what?

with warm regards,
Tony
http://artonio7.com

"LauraK" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:[Email Removed]...

QUOTE

but it's sooooo hot and sticky! Randy let's take a dip!

--
With warm regards,
Tony
http://artonio7.com

Can I come, local river's dried up ;)

The Tennessee, Clinch, Little Pigeon and all the others are running high
and
wide, thanks to all the rain we had this spring.
Hot here -- over 100 today -- but dry and pleasant with a cool breeze off
the
mountains in the evening. Turned off the air conditioner and opened the
windows.
The apartment complex pool is outside my office window. I'll head out
there
when it gets less crowded with kids. :)

[Email Removed]
http://www.madmousergraphics.com
web design, print design, photography

tomas.holm

Jun 25 2003, 08:59 AM

Mosquito oil is probably a better choice...

/Tomas

Den 03-06-25 11.54, i artikeln bdbrhc$r1kbs$[Email Removed],
skrev "artonio7/Tony/Anthony/" <[Email Removed]>:

QUOTE

Be sure to take plenty of sunscreen with you...The trip sounds like it'll be
tons of fun!

with warm regards,
Tony
http://artonio7.com

"Synaptic Flow" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:bdbr2g$19j$[Email Removed]...

"LauraK" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:[Email Removed]...
but it's sooooo hot and sticky! Randy let's take a dip!

--
With warm regards,
Tony
http://artonio7.com

Can I come, local river's dried up ;)

The Tennessee, Clinch, Little Pigeon and all the others are running high
and
wide, thanks to all the rain we had this spring.
Hot here -- over 100 today -- but dry and pleasant with a cool breeze
off
the
mountains in the evening. Turned off the air conditioner and opened the
windows.
The apartment complex pool is outside my office window. I'll head out
there
when it gets less crowded with kids. :)

[Email Removed]
http://www.madmousergraphics.com
web design, print design, photography

I'm in the UK, not many rivers here you'd care to go anywhere near due to
complete lack of control over pollution from a succession of goverments,
but
I'm hoping to get over to Norway to see family in the next 2 months where
I
know it'll be 80 - 100 & plenty of lovely, clean lakes & rivers to go
diving
about in :)

artonio7/Tony/Anthony/

Jun 25 2003, 09:02 AM

We have a state park locally that has a spring-fed lake... the water is
always freezing (SERIOUS SHRINKAGE) cold, but so clean!

with warm regards,
Tony
http://artonio7.com

"Carol Ott" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:7u4Ka.9231$[Email Removed]...

QUOTE

Hmmm...hope your river's cleaner than the Patapsco.

Carol

"artonio7/Tony/Anthony/" <artonio7(remove)@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:bdaea4$r98p2$[Email Removed]...
but it's sooooo hot and sticky! Randy let's take a dip!

--
With warm regards,
Tony
http://artonio7.com

artonio7/Tony/Anthony/

Jun 25 2003, 09:03 AM

I was beginning to think we had entered another ice age.

with warm regards,
Tony
http://artonio7.com

"lilmissgiggles" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:JO3Ka.18762$[Email Removed]...

QUOTE

according to the news it feels like it's 37C outside...
but, after a bloody cold winter i can't complain...

lilmissgiggles

"artonio7/Tony/Anthony/" <artonio7(remove)@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:bdaea4$r98p2$[Email Removed]...
but it's sooooo hot and sticky! Randy let's take a dip!

--
With warm regards,
Tony
http://artonio7.com

Fred Doyle

Jun 25 2003, 09:16 AM

I liked them, too. I think I'd hear that spot calling me as soon as the
weather got nice. The river reminded me of parts of the Adirondacks that I
know very well.

--
Fred Doyle
www.leafpublishing.com

"artonio7/Tony/Anthony/" <artonio7(remove)@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:bdbrm0$rfse8$[Email Removed]...

QUOTE

Those 3d pics are great Mike. Thanks!!! What's the weather like in Oregon
this time of year? I've always imagined it to be rainy.

with warm regards,
Tony
http://artonio7.com

"Mike" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:BB1E3974.77AF6%[Email Removed]...

The summer home up in Oregon is about to have us stop by for the summer.

http://www.artistmike.com/3d.pics/SwingByRiver.32-tb.html

http://www.artistmike.com/3d.pics/2.html

in article [Email Removed], LauraK at
[Email Removed] wrote on 6/24/03 4:43 PM:

but it's sooooo hot and sticky! Randy let's take a dip!

--
With warm regards,
Tony
http://artonio7.com

Can I come, local river's dried up ;)

The Tennessee, Clinch, Little Pigeon and all the others are running
high
and
wide, thanks to all the rain we had this spring.
Hot here -- over 100 today -- but dry and pleasant with a cool breeze
off the
mountains in the evening. Turned off the air conditioner and opened
the
windows.
The apartment complex pool is outside my office window. I'll head out
there
when it gets less crowded with kids. :)

[Email Removed]
http://www.madmousergraphics.com
web design, print design, photography

--
Mike

* Logo Design *
Put some fun in your next logo!

Site at: http://www.artistmike.com

SamMan

Jun 25 2003, 09:24 AM

She is a cutie! My cats usually just sit in front of the monitor until you
either pet them or nudge them out of the way....

Sam

"Diane" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:[Email Removed]...

QUOTE

I think I know what you mean....
http://www.aasp.net/~ladydi/keyboard.jpg

di

"SamMan" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:<xQVJa.47188$[Email Removed]>...
Isn't it funny how cats are the most happy when they're in the way?...
Laying on a book you're trying to read, sitting in front of your
monitor,
etc...
Color correction, etc. could have maybe been better, but I kind of like
the
shot itself...
http://www.psfdev.com/catNose_sm.jpg

Sam

imaspy

Jun 25 2003, 10:11 AM

http://theregister.co.uk/content/39/31405.html

=(

tall poppy syndrome?

tomas.holm

Jun 25 2003, 10:20 AM

Isn't it always problems comparing computers? What is speed? Is it how many
processes a chip can make or is it the subjective feeling when working on
the machine?

Not tweeking is also a tweek...

/Tomas

Den 03-06-25 13.11, i artikeln [Email Removed], skrev
"imaspy" <[Email Removed][SPAM]>:

QUOTE

http://theregister.co.uk/content/39/31405.html

=(

tall poppy syndrome?

Branko Vukelic

Jun 25 2003, 10:24 AM

On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 11:37:48 +0930, Leanne <[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE

Oups! Don't jump to conslusions. Isn't that a prejudice?

"Besides, her BFs are very mature. I'd never say they were 13 just by
looking at them. Would say they were 20 or even 22."

How am I jumping to conclusions??
Your the one making it sound like shes going out with 13 year olds.

Well, you did say it's sick based only on their *age*, didn't you? I've
spent some time with the guys and I'm pretty sure that they were not
pooping in their pants and crying for their mammas. Anyway, since my
country is considered '3rd world', I guess it's got to be *very* different
here from where you live?

--
Branko

Fred Doyle

Jun 25 2003, 10:24 AM

Well, as if to prove that dealing with stereotyping and discrimination is
much more difficult than simply declaring you have no problem, it looks like
some in the EU is trying to find ways to make sure that the cure is as bad
as the disease.

http://tinylink.com/?INh7fvzbNC

http://www.guardian.co.uk/gender/story/0,1...,984416,00.html

And I thought the US was the only country that had problems with political
correctness.
--
Fred Doyle
www.leafpublishing.com

"FOR7b" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:[Email Removed]...

QUOTE

The scary part is that they ask for race...

"So lets see who is most qualified for the work... No, this one has to
go,
she left the race-field blank..." Does this happen?

If so, you have really big problems, IMO.

OTOH, you dont see any tick-boxes stating race in Sweden since its
against
the law, but that doesn't stop discrimination. It finds other ways, more
subtile. I do think society has to make real clear that it does not
accept
discrimination. The only way to do that is to market those values and to
adjust the leaal system.

For instance is it now illegal to wear nazi symbols in public. Strangly
though, one can carry the image of Stalin without being arrested...
Probably
the Stalin brand is not so strong as the swastika...

/Tomas

It is bizarre that in any democratic society, or one closely resembling
one
would outlaw any political symbol. I think Germany and France are also
wrong in
that regard. They are commiting the same actions that the Nazis were well
known
for.

[Email Removed]

tomas.holm

Jun 25 2003, 10:52 AM

Well to change things one has to act. It is a fine line between doing to
much and doing to little.
If in a democracy we agree that discrimination is bad - lets fight to remove
it. Propaganda and laws are the only things that will work. You cant make
laws that has no acceptance by the public, so in order to change things you
have to change opinions first.

"You can't change the world, but you can change the facts. And when you
change the facts, you change points of view. And when you change points of
view, you may change a vote. And when you change a vote, You may change the
world" - Depeche Mode (All right, I'm a huge fan...)

/Tomas

Den 03-06-25 13.24, i artikeln %DfKa.111174$[Email Removed],
skrev "Fred Doyle" <[Email Removed]>:

QUOTE

Branko Vukelic

Jun 25 2003, 11:09 AM

On 25 Jun 2003 00:06:18 GMT, FOR7b <[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE

Blacks in America have been here from nearly the beginning so you may
find it
surprising to know that most could care less about Africa and have
absolutely
nothing in common to Africans besides physical appearances. :)

Well, that's not what 2Pac died for. Anyway, I was talking about my
friends in Belgrade, who *are* from Africa (Sudan, Guinea Bisao,
Etiopia, Nigeria).

2Pac? Huh??

Yeah, 2Pac. Like "they stole our history..." Like "the black population
should stand up," and not in those exact words...

QUOTE

Yeah, I know. That's my point. That's why I wouldn't consider calling
black person a 'nigger' in Belgrade a nasty crime against a human. In
the US, yes, it would be nasty. Which is unfortunate. A 'negro' manss
black. The word that is. So why not call a black person black?

We do. What makes you think we don't? We just don't call them "niggers."
It is
a derogatory word, period. Why is that hard to understand?

That's very unfortunate.

Why do you consider that not be able to use the word "nigger" in America
is
"unfortunate?"

Well, now I know what's the big deal about this thread. You think I'm
talking about *using* the word, don't you? You might think that I would use
the first chance I get to call a black man 'nigger,' which is absolutely a
pile of crap. Maybe you never seriously looked at anything that I wrote so
far?

I'm talking about the *meaning* and *implication*. Not *using* the word,
but the fact that the word carries such meaning. Not the word as an
incarnation of the meaning, but the meaning itself. In most roman languages
'negro' or any version of it (like 'nero,' or 'nigger') means 'black' (as
black shoe, black car... the coulor). The fact that such a word has come to
have other implication (a 'lowlife,' maybe?) is very unfortunate.

That is, IMO, very far from being undone simply by stopping to use the
word. It will take a lot of apologizing and tons of history lesson for
things to change. The word might not be used anymore, but its meaning is
still there. And, AFAIK, the meaning is incarnated into many new forms that
we might not notice untill someone gets really angry. At least in the UK,
it is highly likely. A black friend from Sudan got rejected in a job
intervew despite his Master's degree, despite his five years of experience,
despite his fluent English -- just because he was living in the black
neighbourhood. When he lied about his address the next time, he got the
job. And that may only be one small part of it.

It is a good idea, OTOH, that people stopped calling a black man a 'nigger'
in the US. But it's unfortunate that someone had to get pissed off about it
first. Get my drift now?

QUOTE

I never minded people calling me yellow. Also, being yellow does have
some advantages and disadvantages that cannot/souldn't be easily
overlooked.

Branko

Like I said above the word black is used here without any problems. Negro
on
the other hand is not often used anymore.

And I say it's good it isn't. But that's not the main point. It really has
to go beyond the words. When some *real* change is made, the words would,
hopefully, even lose their *acquired* meanings. Hopefully. IMO, merely not
using the words is, to say the least, superficial, even though it is a
great progress.

There are still KKK outposts in the US. That's very indicative, IMO. Kinda
like a cancer that's not been removed completely.

QUOTE

[Email Removed]

--
Branko

Branko Vukelic

Jun 25 2003, 11:14 AM

On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:09:03 +0200, Branko Vukelic <[Email Removed]>
wrote:

QUOTE

On 25 Jun 2003 00:06:18 GMT, FOR7b <[Email Removed]> wrote:

Blacks in America have been here from nearly the beginning so you may
find it
surprising to know that most could care less about Africa and have
absolutely
nothing in common to Africans besides physical appearances. :)

Well, that's not what 2Pac died for. Anyway, I was talking about my
friends in Belgrade, who *are* from Africa (Sudan, Guinea Bisao,
Etiopia, Nigeria).

2Pac? Huh??

Yeah, 2Pac. Like "they stole our history..." Like "the black population
should stand up," and not in those exact words...

Yeah, I know. That's my point. That's why I wouldn't consider calling
black person a 'nigger' in Belgrade a nasty crime against a human. In
the US, yes, it would be nasty. Which is unfortunate. A 'negro' manss
black. The word that is. So why not call a black person black?

We do. What makes you think we don't? We just don't call them "niggers."

It is
a derogatory word, period. Why is that hard to understand?

That's very unfortunate.

Why do you consider that not be able to use the word "nigger" in America
is
"unfortunate?"

Well, now I know what's the big deal about this thread. You think I'm
talking about *using* the word, don't you? You might think that I would
use the first chance I get to call a black man 'nigger,' which is
absolutely a pile of crap. Maybe you never seriously looked at anything
that I wrote so far?

I'm talking about the *meaning* and *implication*. Not *using* the word,
but the fact that the word carries such meaning. Not the word as an
incarnation of the meaning, but the meaning itself. In most roman
languages 'negro' or any version of it (like 'nero,' or 'nigger') means
'black' (as black shoe, black car... the coulor). The fact that such a
word has come to have other implication (a 'lowlife,' maybe?) is very
unfortunate.

That is, IMO, very far from being undone simply by stopping to use the
word. It will take a lot of apologizing and tons of history lesson for
things to change. The word might not be used anymore, but its meaning is
still there. And, AFAIK, the meaning is incarnated into many new forms
that we might not notice untill someone gets really angry. At least in
the UK, it is highly likely. A black friend from Sudan got rejected in a
job intervew despite his Master's degree, despite his five years of
experience, despite his fluent English -- just because he was living in
the black neighbourhood. When he lied about his address the next time, he
got the job. And that may only be one small part of it.

It is a good idea, OTOH, that people stopped calling a black man a
'nigger' in the US. But it's unfortunate that someone had to get pissed
off about it first. Get my drift now?

I never minded people calling me yellow. Also, being yellow does have
some advantages and disadvantages that cannot/souldn't be easily
overlooked.

Branko

Like I said above the word black is used here without any problems.
Negro on
the other hand is not often used anymore.

And I say it's good it isn't. But that's not the main point. It really
has to go beyond the words. When some *real* change is made, the words
would, hopefully, even lose their *acquired* meanings. Hopefully. IMO,
merely not using the words is, to say the least, superficial, even though
it is a great progress.

There are still KKK outposts in the US. That's very indicative, IMO.
Kinda like a cancer that's not been removed completely.

[Email Removed]

Sorry, forgot about this: http://www.kkk.com/

--
Branko

Edward Wedig

Jun 25 2003, 12:22 PM

In article <bdaea4$r98p2$[Email Removed]>,
"artonio7/Tony/Anthony/" <artonio7(remove)@adelphia.net> says...

QUOTE

but it's sooooo hot and sticky! Randy let's take a dip!

Here in central Ohio, we've had high ozone levels the past few days,
which is NOT good for doing anything outside. Although they are
predicting storms this weekend, so that might help wash some junk out of
the air.

Personally, I'm going to a gaming convention this weekend, so I'll be in
air-conditioned comfort for the next 4 days. So I don't really care what
happens outside. :)

-Ed

--
****************************
Edward Wedig
Graphic Designer - Web Designer - Gamemaster - Nice Guy
www.docbrown.net
****************************

Hunter Elliott

Jun 25 2003, 12:37 PM

"lilmissgiggles" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:JO3Ka.18762$[Email Removed]...

QUOTE

according to the news it feels like it's 37C outside...
but, after a bloody cold winter i can't complain...

.... wishing it was 37F here :)

SpaceGirl

Jun 25 2003, 01:12 PM

Oh, also, the float link is broken...

"chris / www.cyan1.com" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:BB1F53BD.F0A1%[Email Removed]...

QUOTE

hi

i decided today to create a personal site to 'house' the personal work i
have been doing in photoshop and illustrator

i wanted the site to look sort of 'young' - hard to describe

i would be interested in a little feedback to see if i'm heading in the
right direction

there is only one page at the minute to view so i can make lots of changes
depending on the feedback

http://www.chrisluetchford.com/mytest.asp

thanks for your time.

Chris.

chris / www.cyan1.com

Jun 25 2003, 01:19 PM

QUOTE

From: "SpaceGirl" <[Email Removed]
Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com
Newsgroups: alt.design.graphics
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:08:52 +0100
Subject: Re: personal site could do with input

I kinda like it. The mixed case titles are a bit weird though. By the way,
Turkey & Brazil drew, Turkey didn't win. Brazil scored in the last 30
seconds of extra time :p

x
Miranda

"chris / www.cyan1.com" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:BB1F53BD.F0A1%[Email Removed]...
hi

i decided today to create a personal site to 'house' the personal work i
have been doing in photoshop and illustrator

i wanted the site to look sort of 'young' - hard to describe

i would be interested in a little feedback to see if i'm heading in the
right direction

there is only one page at the minute to view so i can make lots of changes
depending on the feedback

http://www.chrisluetchford.com/mytest.asp

thanks for your time.

Chris.

Joanne Capella

Jun 25 2003, 01:23 PM

"lilmissgiggles" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message news:<JO3Ka.18762$[Email Removed]>...

QUOTE

according to the news it feels like it's 37C outside...
but, after a bloody cold winter i can't complain...

lilmissgiggles

No complaints here in upstate New York, either, but we're expecting
rain again on Friday, just in time for the weekend. I'm just sorry
summer took so long to get here and will be gone so soon.

Joanne

Leanne

Jun 25 2003, 01:27 PM

QUOTE

I wouldn't know. I don't know where you live, and I never called your
country 3rd world either... so I think you are the one jumping to the
conclusions here.

And its not just sick based on their ages, there is alot of other factors
too.

Farlo

Jun 25 2003, 01:49 PM

Branko Vukelic <[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE

Anyway, since my
country is considered '3rd world', I guess it's got to be *very*
different here from where you live?

Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated and your cultural uniqueness
stamped out for the threat that it is. Love is a lie. There is no
Sanctuary. Emotions are weakness.

--
Farlo
Urban Fey Dragon
Imperial States of America

SpaceGirl

Jun 25 2003, 01:58 PM

hehhe well I'm a supporter of Turkey, so, cant say I'm that displeased by
the result :)

"chris / www.cyan1.com" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:BB1F6DF3.3F2E%[Email Removed]...

QUOTE

lol, I knew I got that score wrong! Turkey went through to the semi's but
couldn't remember the score. bloody ronaldinho (however its spelt) ruined
brazils chances, again.

scores updated! :)

thanks again

Chris.

From: "SpaceGirl" <[Email Removed]
Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com
Newsgroups: alt.design.graphics
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 15:08:52 +0100
Subject: Re: personal site could do with input

I kinda like it. The mixed case titles are a bit weird though. By the
way,
Turkey & Brazil drew, Turkey didn't win. Brazil scored in the last 30
seconds of extra time :p

x
Miranda

"chris / www.cyan1.com" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:BB1F53BD.F0A1%[Email Removed]...
hi

i decided today to create a personal site to 'house' the personal work
i
have been doing in photoshop and illustrator

i wanted the site to look sort of 'young' - hard to describe

i would be interested in a little feedback to see if i'm heading in the
right direction

there is only one page at the minute to view so i can make lots of
changes
depending on the feedback

http://www.chrisluetchford.com/mytest.asp

thanks for your time.

Chris.

Brian H

Jun 25 2003, 03:01 PM

Hiya Gem,

Remember me? Br? or B A H? What a lucky thing to peek in this forum
just when you graduate. Good job! I'm proud of ya. Glad I finally
dropped in here again after probably 2 years or so.

Br...

http://www.adigitaldreamer.com
http://www.skulpt.com

[Email Removed] (Gem) wrote in message news:<[Email Removed]>...

QUOTE

woooooooooohoooooooooooo!!!!!!

as of today, tassels right and officially decreed degreed!!

"""oh happy daaaaaay"""

cheers everyone and my gracious thanks to all of you in here for your help and
encouragement. you guys rock.

*hic* :]

*Bog Smooches!*

mark | r

Jun 25 2003, 03:12 PM

excellent, i love this site (how simple can it get!)
clean typography...

....shame your work isnt as good as your site! :) ... keep on at it, you're
on to a winner (submit it to design mags, you'll get loads of exposure)

mark

"chris / www.cyan1.com" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
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QUOTE

Adam - www.webresults4u.com

Jun 25 2003, 03:12 PM

Hah I enjoyed that site.

Adam
www.webresults4u.com

"...giggles..." <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:[Email Removed]...

QUOTE

i saw this and thought of you.... don't ask why... i'm a little odd,
but that's what makes me special.... lol

http://www.banksy.co.uk/

lilmissgiggles

Andrew Banks

Jun 25 2003, 03:17 PM

Thanks, I'm proud of the work in there

"...giggles..." <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:[Email Removed]...

QUOTE

i saw this and thought of you.... don't ask why... i'm a little odd,
but that's what makes me special.... lol

http://www.banksy.co.uk/

lilmissgiggles

Giuseppe Carmine De Blasio

Jun 25 2003, 03:54 PM

Is this site yours, Andrew?

Pepe
Milano, Italy

"Andrew Banks" <[Email Removed]> ha scritto nel messaggio
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QUOTE

Thanks, I'm proud of the work in there

"...giggles..." <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:[Email Removed]...
i saw this and thought of you.... don't ask why... i'm a little odd,
but that's what makes me special.... lol

http://www.banksy.co.uk/

lilmissgiggles

48073

Jun 25 2003, 04:03 PM

On 25 Jun 2003 03:53:06 GMT, [Email Removed]11111111 (erika) wrote:

QUOTE

So you do give shit. Good.

I recant my earlier statement about not giving a shit about art... what I was
thinking when I typed that was I don't care about other people's perception of
art.

Than we more or less agree after all.

Peace to you.

48073.

Giuseppe Carmine De Blasio

Jun 25 2003, 04:04 PM

Ewww...!

What a nasty site... in every sense!

:-)

Pepe
Milano, Italy
PS: this is so FUBAR that's not even funny...

"Branko Vukelic" <[Email Removed]> ha scritto nel messaggio
news:[Email Removed]...

QUOTE

On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:09:03 +0200, Branko Vukelic <[Email Removed]
wrote:

On 25 Jun 2003 00:06:18 GMT, FOR7b <[Email Removed]> wrote:

Blacks in America have been here from nearly the beginning so you may
find it
surprising to know that most could care less about Africa and have
absolutely
nothing in common to Africans besides physical appearances. :)

Well, that's not what 2Pac died for. Anyway, I was talking about my
friends in Belgrade, who *are* from Africa (Sudan, Guinea Bisao,
Etiopia, Nigeria).

2Pac? Huh??

Yeah, 2Pac. Like "they stole our history..." Like "the black population
should stand up," and not in those exact words...

Yeah, I know. That's my point. That's why I wouldn't consider calling
black person a 'nigger' in Belgrade a nasty crime against a human. In
the US, yes, it would be nasty. Which is unfortunate. A 'negro' manss
black. The word that is. So why not call a black person black?

We do. What makes you think we don't? We just don't call them
"niggers."

It is
a derogatory word, period. Why is that hard to understand?

That's very unfortunate.

Why do you consider that not be able to use the word "nigger" in
America
is
"unfortunate?"

Well, now I know what's the big deal about this thread. You think I'm
talking about *using* the word, don't you? You might think that I would
use the first chance I get to call a black man 'nigger,' which is
absolutely a pile of crap. Maybe you never seriously looked at anything
that I wrote so far?

I'm talking about the *meaning* and *implication*. Not *using* the word,
but the fact that the word carries such meaning. Not the word as an
incarnation of the meaning, but the meaning itself. In most roman
languages 'negro' or any version of it (like 'nero,' or 'nigger') means
'black' (as black shoe, black car... the coulor). The fact that such a
word has come to have other implication (a 'lowlife,' maybe?) is very
unfortunate.

That is, IMO, very far from being undone simply by stopping to use the
word. It will take a lot of apologizing and tons of history lesson for
things to change. The word might not be used anymore, but its meaning is
still there. And, AFAIK, the meaning is incarnated into many new forms
that we might not notice untill someone gets really angry. At least in
the UK, it is highly likely. A black friend from Sudan got rejected in a
job intervew despite his Master's degree, despite his five years of
experience, despite his fluent English -- just because he was living in
the black neighbourhood. When he lied about his address the next time,
he
got the job. And that may only be one small part of it.

It is a good idea, OTOH, that people stopped calling a black man a
'nigger' in the US. But it's unfortunate that someone had to get pissed
off about it first. Get my drift now?

I never minded people calling me yellow. Also, being yellow does have
some advantages and disadvantages that cannot/souldn't be easily
overlooked.

Branko

Like I said above the word black is used here without any problems.
Negro on
the other hand is not often used anymore.

And I say it's good it isn't. But that's not the main point. It really
has to go beyond the words. When some *real* change is made, the words
would, hopefully, even lose their *acquired* meanings. Hopefully. IMO,
merely not using the words is, to say the least, superficial, even
though
it is a great progress.

There are still KKK outposts in the US. That's very indicative, IMO.
Kinda like a cancer that's not been removed completely.

[Email Removed]

Sorry, forgot about this: http://www.kkk.com/

--
Branko

fdoyle

Jun 25 2003, 04:09 PM

QUOTE

You cant make laws that has no acceptance by the public, so in order to
change things you have to change opinions first.

An outstanding point! Unfortunately, too many times laws are created without
an understanding of the need to have public opinion support those laws and
as a result, they almost always fail.

Fred Doyle
www.leafpublishing.com

FOR7b

Jun 25 2003, 04:51 PM

QUOTE

I'm in the UK, not many rivers here you'd care to go anywhere near due to
complete lack of control over pollution from a succession of goverments, but
I'm hoping to get over to Norway to see family in the next 2 months where I
know it'll be 80 - 100 & plenty of lovely, clean lakes & rivers to go diving
about in :)

It goes to 100 in Norway?

[Email Removed]

FOR7b

Jun 25 2003, 05:04 PM

QUOTE

Sorry, forgot about this: http://www.kkk.com/

--
Branko

What are you trying to prove with that? In any society, especially a free one
you are going to have such groups. I suspect they will always be around.

[Email Removed]

Giuseppe Carmine De Blasio

Jun 25 2003, 05:10 PM

Well... your e-mail reads *banksy*... can you blame me for asking?

Anyway, it doesn't seem your style at all, so I was quite surprised to see
it... not my cup of tea, but good work nevertheless...

Pepe
Milano, Italy

"Andrew Banks" <[Email Removed]> ha scritto nel messaggio
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QUOTE

No unfortunately not. I was going to get a good wind up going but really
don't have the energy

Banksy is quite a well known grafitti style (if that's correct) artist

"Giuseppe Carmine De Blasio" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
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Is this site yours, Andrew?

Pepe
Milano, Italy

"Andrew Banks" <[Email Removed]> ha scritto nel
messaggio
news:wWjKa.6023$[Email Removed]...
Thanks, I'm proud of the work in there

"...giggles..." <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:[Email Removed]...
i saw this and thought of you.... don't ask why... i'm a little odd,
but that's what makes me special.... lol

http://www.banksy.co.uk/

lilmissgiggles

FOR7b

Jun 25 2003, 05:43 PM

QUOTE

Yeah, 2Pac. Like "they stole our history..." Like "the black population
should stand up," and not in those exact words...

Oh geez, like a low life former gang banging dead rapper was the collective
voice of blacks in America. Give me a break.

QUOTE

Could it be also that you may need to express and clarify yourself more clearly
then if I am misunderstanding you. Your english is good considering it isn't
your native language but english is my native language and I am merely
interpreting what you are writing.

QUOTE

I'm talking about the *meaning* and *implication*. Not *using* the word,
but the fact that the word carries such meaning. Not the word as an
incarnation of the meaning, but the meaning itself. In most roman languages
'negro' or any version of it (like 'nero,' or 'nigger') means 'black'
(as
black shoe, black car... the coulor). The fact that such a word has come to
have other implication (a 'lowlife,' maybe?) is very unfortunate.

It is a good idea, OTOH, that people stopped calling a black man a 'nigger'
in the US. But it's unfortunate that someone had to get pissed off about it
first. Get my drift now?

It is unfortunate when any word or label is used to refer to any group or race
in a derogatory way because of skin color or race or nationality. There are
many words with harmless meanings used by different cultures in derogatory ways
so why should it be surprising to you that "nigger" has negative connotations
considering its past use.

[Email Removed]

FOR7b

Jun 25 2003, 05:51 PM

QUOTE

Yeah! Come July & August it's roasting in Southern Telemark, highest I've
worked in is 40c. Come winter though, it goes down to -25 too. If you ever
get chance to visit the place do!!

That's ok, I can save money and stay where I'm at and feel 115. I'll pass on
the cold. I'll take extreme heat over extreme cold anytime.

[Email Removed]

LauraK

Jun 25 2003, 06:08 PM

QUOTE

The trick is to place lots of uncomfortable-to-lay-on objects in front
of your monitor, thereby preventing the cat from laying in front of the
monitor!

Doesn't slow mine down. They just knock them off.
My oldest one has always been in the habit of lying between the keyboard and me
when I'm websurfing/not typing. The new kitten thinks this is a great idea and
gets on top of the older cat when she's doing this. The stacked cats make it
difficult to work, especially since the kitten can't hold still for more than 5
minutes and starts bugging the cat on the bottom.

[Email Removed]
http://www.madmousergraphics.com
web design, print design, photography

Branko Vukelic

Jun 25 2003, 06:28 PM

On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:49:30 GMT, Farlo <[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE

Branko Vukelic <[Email Removed]> wrote:

Anyway, since my country is considered '3rd world', I guess it's got to
be *very*
different here from where you live?

Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated and your cultural
uniqueness stamped out for the threat that it is. Love is a lie. There is
no Sanctuary. Emotions are weakness.

:)

--
Branko

Mickey

Jun 25 2003, 07:44 PM

We usually get one thunder storm while we are up in Oregon for our month and
a half vacation. Rest of the time is hot and sunny with clear nights.

We have the acher in Bend... central Oregon... less rain... also a little
higher elevation. Pondrosa Pine trees...

On of my sons stays down here in Los Angeles and turns the whole house into
a recording studio while we are gone... drum sets in one bedroom, recording
studio in the dining room, vocals in the living room... then just before we
come back he transforms the house back to it's normal state.

in article bdbrm0$rfse8$[Email Removed], artonio7/Tony/Anthony/
at [Email Removed] wrote on 6/25/03 2:57 AM:

QUOTE

Those 3d pics are great Mike. Thanks!!! What's the weather like in Oregon
this time of year? I've always imagined it to be rainy.

with warm regards,
Tony
http://artonio7.com

"Mike" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:BB1E3974.77AF6%[Email Removed]...

The summer home up in Oregon is about to have us stop by for the summer.

http://www.artistmike.com/3d.pics/SwingByRiver.32-tb.html

http://www.artistmike.com/3d.pics/2.html

in article [Email Removed], LauraK at
[Email Removed] wrote on 6/24/03 4:43 PM:

but it's sooooo hot and sticky! Randy let's take a dip!

--
With warm regards,
Tony
http://artonio7.com

Can I come, local river's dried up ;)

The Tennessee, Clinch, Little Pigeon and all the others are running high
and
wide, thanks to all the rain we had this spring.
Hot here -- over 100 today -- but dry and pleasant with a cool breeze
off the
mountains in the evening. Turned off the air conditioner and opened the
windows.
The apartment complex pool is outside my office window. I'll head out
there
when it gets less crowded with kids. :)

[Email Removed]
http://www.madmousergraphics.com
web design, print design, photography

--
Mike

* Logo Design *
Put some fun in your next logo!

Site at: http://www.artistmike.com

--
Mike

* Logo Design *
Put some fun in your next logo!

Site at: http://www.artistmike.com

Branko Vukelic

Jun 25 2003, 07:48 PM

On 25 Jun 2003 18:43:15 GMT, FOR7b <[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE

Yeah, 2Pac. Like "they stole our history..." Like "the black population
should stand up," and not in those exact words...

Oh geez, like a low life former gang banging dead rapper was the
collective
voice of blacks in America. Give me a break.

Well, who else did? Martin Luther King, who's also a dead man.

QUOTE

Well, now I know what's the big deal about this thread. You think I'm
talking about *using* the word, don't you? You might think that I would
use the first chance I get to call a black man 'nigger,' which is
absolutely a pile of crap. Maybe you never seriously looked at anything
that I wrote so far?

Could it be also that you may need to express and clarify yourself more
clearly
then if I am misunderstanding you. Your english is good considering it
isn't
your native language but english is my native language and I am merely
interpreting what you are writing.

I'm talking about the *meaning* and *implication*. Not *using* the word,
but the fact that the word carries such meaning. Not the word as an
incarnation of the meaning, but the meaning itself. In most roman
languages 'negro' or any version of it (like 'nero,' or 'nigger') means
'black'
(as
black shoe, black car... the coulor). The fact that such a word has come
to have other implication (a 'lowlife,' maybe?) is very unfortunate.

It is a good idea, OTOH, that people stopped calling a black man a
'nigger' in the US. But it's unfortunate that someone had to get pissed
off about it first. Get my drift now?

It is unfortunate when any word or label is used to refer to any group or
race
in a derogatory way because of skin color or race or nationality. There
are
many words with harmless meanings used by different cultures in
derogatory ways
so why should it be surprising to you that "nigger" has negative
connotations
considering its past use.

[Email Removed]

I know English is not my primary language, but you seem to misinterpret
things in a big way. Actually, I see that you are leaving some very
important parts out when quoting my msgs, which leads me to a conclusion
that you really are merely interpreting what I write. (Kinda like Google
robots.)

I am not at all 'surprised' "that 'nigger' has negative connotations." I
also do not agree that the situation is such *only* due to "its past use."
It is the whole scenario, of which the *words* are just a minor part, that
is really sickening (and also not surprising at all). Words are just words,
until you put them into a context. And the context is what bothers me. You
can always change the words or lose them completely without changing a
thing.

--
Branko

Catherine Post

Jun 25 2003, 10:07 PM

Hi Lenny,

I would say:

1) What do you want and in what format or medium, and size or resolution?
2) When do you need this?
3) What is your budget for this, and are you the one to pay me?
4) Can you show me samples that are similar to what you would like me to do?
5) Have you had anyone do this for you before?
6) How and where will this be used? Is it one piece for a one-time use, or
will it be used extensively, and by whom?
7) If this is to be computer-generated, do you have a preference as to which
software program or style?
8) How will you pay me; and in what increments would you prefer (if it is a
longer term or larger job)?
9) Will this be printed; and if so, what are your digital requirements?
10) What are your expectations as to who owns the rights to this artwork, or
its possible transfer of rights?

Hope that helps. :)

Catherine Post
Graphic/Web Provisioning with Insight
www.webdesignpost.com
www.illustrationpost.com

----- Original Message -----
From: Lenny Terenzi
Newsgroups: alt.design.graphics
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2003 10:22 AM
Subject: Top 10 questions to ask when a prospective client calls you

Thoughts? ideas? What works for you?

Thanks!
Lenny
www.lennyterenzi.com

Catherine Post

Jun 25 2003, 10:16 PM

Hi Val,

I'm a member of the National Assoc. of Photoshop Professionals too,
and I find it to be very rewarding and helpful. Congrats on winning
that scholarship to Photoshop World!! Also, I am a member of
the HTML writer's guild and the International Webmaster's Assoc.,
because I'm a web designer. Also, locally we have an Art Director's
and Artist's Club, and I'm a member of that. :)

Catherine Post
Graphic/Web Provisioning with Insight
www.webdesignpost.com
www.illustrationpost.com

"MCBaby" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
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QUOTE

I was looking into buying a copy of Graphic Artists Guild Handbook of
Pricing and Ethical Guidelines t the suggestion of several members and
I noticed that student membership of the guild is $55.00. So I
wondered what types of associations folks here have.
For example, I am a member of the National Association of Photoshop
Professionals, I won a scholarship to Photoshop World and the
membership was included.

I wondered what you folks thought about GAG, NAPP or other
associations?
Val

Matt Bostock

Jun 25 2003, 10:19 PM

Hey snafu...

From what I could see, there was some really nice work there. I'm still on
56K until a week on Saturday so the thing took years to load. I'm curious;
why did it make you think of me? lol

I love graffitti art, although it often has a bad name due to either a lack
of understanding or the effecting of it by a non-artistic individual. Many
older people in my local community, for example, despise the abundance of
graffitti art on our regional rail system. Yet I fail to understand why
anyone who understands art could have a problem with young artists
expressing their art in such a public way; it doesn't hurt anybody. True,
the kids doing it could be killed by passing trains, but to me, to take that
risk for their artwork makes it all the more powerful.

On the other hand, there's a lot of very poor 'graffitti' around... a lot of
this is tagging. Tagging here has degenerated really... from what it was as
I understand it in the 80s and 90s on the trains in NYC. In those days it
was a true art form... it coloured the lives of everyday people and
distracted them from the boring old grey carriages. The tags were carriage
wide in many cases. Round here, people tag for the sake of it... a squiggle
is what usually is classed as a 'tag'. I'm no expert nor a graffitti writer
myself, so forgive me if the same was common practice before. My point is, I
hate to see the pointless defacement of things like signs, ATM machines etc.
That just pisses people off and gives the art a bad name.

Anyway, it was a nice site, thanks :)

Matt
--
I miss Rage Against The Machine.

"...giggles..." <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:[Email Removed]...

QUOTE

i saw this and thought of you.... don't ask why... i'm a little odd,
but that's what makes me special.... lol

http://www.banksy.co.uk/

lilmissgiggles

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artonio7/Tony/Anthony/

Jun 25 2003, 11:11 PM

I just get the biggest kick out of this...
http://www.madmousergraphics.com/photograp.../stilllife.html

with warm regards,
Tony
http://artonio7.com

"LauraK" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:[Email Removed]...

QUOTE

The trick is to place lots of uncomfortable-to-lay-on objects in front
of your monitor, thereby preventing the cat from laying in front of the
monitor!

Doesn't slow mine down. They just knock them off.
My oldest one has always been in the habit of lying between the keyboard
and me
when I'm websurfing/not typing. The new kitten thinks this is a great idea
and
gets on top of the older cat when she's doing this. The stacked cats make
it
difficult to work, especially since the kitten can't hold still for more
than 5
minutes and starts bugging the cat on the bottom.

[Email Removed]
http://www.madmousergraphics.com
web design, print design, photography

M Lewis

Jun 25 2003, 11:17 PM

"Fred Doyle" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:LZ4Ka.32317$[Email Removed]...

QUOTE

My lady is from SA and my kids African Americans ... and white.

I just love that. My kids are black, by most standard measures (what, did
I
have nothing to do with them?) but I don't think I've ever referred to
them
as African-Americans. Yours are white, and are African-Americans. That's
why
I have such a problem with labels.

--
Fred Doyle
www.leafpublishing.com

It is a gas. People are people ...

Nuff said.

Mike

Mike Dobony

Jun 26 2003, 12:32 AM

Pedophiles irritate me. So do those who encourage or defend them. There
are too many victims in this world as it is.

"Farlo" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

QUOTE

"Mike Dobony" <[Email Removed]> wrote:
Please check yourself into the local prison.

Your fantasies bore me.

--
Farlo
Urban Fey Dragon
Imperial States of America

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Brian H

Jun 26 2003, 01:00 AM

Good Lord. Imagine 9 fans in a laptop. My guess is they haven't worked
out how the heck they are going to put this thing together (G5 laptop)
without making it a grilled cheese sandwhich.

As for the holes in the front, it's not a visual design choice. It
probably was essential without adding another 6 fans. ; )Kinda an ugly
design. Oh well.

Brianos 2.1

Brian Mays <[Email Removed]> wrote in message news:<BB1D9E79.1633B%[Email Removed]>...

QUOTE

And here I was planning to buy a G4 laptop...this kinda changes things.
<sigh> I was really looking forward to working from my recliner for a
change :-)

Brian

in article _CTJa.4339$[Email Removed], Andrew Banks at
[Email Removed] wrote on 6/24/03 3:05 AM:

Thank you thank you...

Looks like 2 of them are on order this week

"Rastin Mehr" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
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http://www.apple.com/powermac/

Me want one ...

Rastin

--

lilmissgiggles

Jun 26 2003, 01:17 AM

56k.... lol... i know the feeling... thats what i'm using...

when i came across the site it reminded me of Rage Against the Machine....

lilmissgiggles

"...uck tha police"
which really turns out to be "Good luck to tha police"

"Matt Bostock" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:47qKa.43849$[Email Removed]...

QUOTE

Hey snafu...

From what I could see, there was some really nice work there. I'm still on
56K until a week on Saturday so the thing took years to load. I'm curious;
why did it make you think of me? lol

I love graffitti art, although it often has a bad name due to either a
lack
of understanding or the effecting of it by a non-artistic individual. Many
older people in my local community, for example, despise the abundance of
graffitti art on our regional rail system. Yet I fail to understand why
anyone who understands art could have a problem with young artists
expressing their art in such a public way; it doesn't hurt anybody. True,
the kids doing it could be killed by passing trains, but to me, to take
that
risk for their artwork makes it all the more powerful.

On the other hand, there's a lot of very poor 'graffitti' around... a lot
of
this is tagging. Tagging here has degenerated really... from what it was
as
I understand it in the 80s and 90s on the trains in NYC. In those days it
was a true art form... it coloured the lives of everyday people and
distracted them from the boring old grey carriages. The tags were carriage
wide in many cases. Round here, people tag for the sake of it... a
squiggle
is what usually is classed as a 'tag'. I'm no expert nor a graffitti
writer
myself, so forgive me if the same was common practice before. My point is,
I
hate to see the pointless defacement of things like signs, ATM machines
etc.
That just pisses people off and gives the art a bad name.

Anyway, it was a nice site, thanks :)

Matt
--
I miss Rage Against The Machine.

"...giggles..." <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
news:[Email Removed]...
i saw this and thought of you.... don't ask why... i'm a little odd,
but that's what makes me special.... lol

lilmissgiggles

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Farlo

Jun 26 2003, 03:28 AM

"Fred Doyle" <[Email Removed]> wrote:

QUOTE

The teacher had no right to violate the trust that was
placed in them, against the parents' wishes.

That's pretty reasonable.

--
Farlo
Urban Fey Dragon
Imperial States of America

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