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Do you swallow?

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||| AA has savd my sister and other family members from a horrid
||| lifestyle. I'll be happy to work on a design in my spare time. Just
||| send your requirements to ma and I will see what I can do.
||
|| Hi Alan,
||
|| Very many thanks for your offer. We will not take it up as our needs
|| have been met.

You went to the bath house and bent over, eh?

||
|| Best regards
||
|| JB

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Your mother obviously did.

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||| AA has savd my sister and other family members from a horrid
||| lifestyle. I'll be happy to work on a design in my spare time. Just
||| send your requirements to ma and I will see what I can do.
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||||| I'm involved with a new on-line AA support group which is at this
||||| time in need of its own logo. I'm wondering whether anyone here
||||| could be interested in working, voluntarily, with us to create
||||| one.
||||
||||
|||| Try this guy. He has !!FREE!! logos!!
||||
|||| You want free logos? I got some at:
|||| http://www.artistmike.com/Temp3/FreeLogos.html
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|||| * Logo Design *
|||| * Certificate Design *
|||| Put some fun in your next logo!
||||
|||| Site at: http://www.artistmike.com
|||| Certificates at:
|| http://www.artistmike.com/CertificateDesigns/1.html

It is the season for getting drunk.

Republican christian jew cop DUI's soar and their is so much under the
table money being passed it is not funny.

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From another group FYI
NM

When you sign up for a Getty Images (big stock photo agency) account, you
can opt out of promotional emails -- which I did.

HOWEVER, what they don't tell you unless you read the fine print in their
"Privacy Policy" (which is really a "how we're going to use your info in
ways you never dreamed of" policy), is that they are still free to
disclose your info to third parties.

When I recently received an email with a "jangomail" source requesting I
take a survey on stock imagery, it looked like yet another spam. I had
never done any business with Jangomail or their customer, Benenson
Strategy Group or disclosed my email to them

So I filed a spam report. Lo and behold, Jangomail replies that it really
wasn't spam because of above No Privacy Policy.

Here are the operative parts of Getty's No Privacy Policy...

How We Use Your Information
The information collected online is stored indefinitely and is used for
various purposes, including processing your transactions, customer
service, product and service development, direct marketing and marketing
analysis, facilitating your use of this website, and customizing your
image selection to your particular interests. The information we collect
may be shared with our subsidiaries, agents, third party content
providers, affiliates, and selected other entities for similar purposes.
For example, when you fill out an online registration form on a Getty
Images website you are automatically registered on a number of Getty
Images visual content provider websites. That is, your user name and
password are carried across these sites, allowing you to use the same
name and password to sign in (although you will still be required to
enter billing information to make purchases on those sites).

In addition, unless you opt out of receiving promotional materials from
Getty Images, we may notify you of special promotions, new products or
services, or other information that may be of interest. (See Opting Out
section, below.)

Opting Out
If you do not want to receive promotional information from Getty Images,
you can opt out by un-checking the appropriate box on your online
registration form, or in the event an online registration form is not
available, by notifying your account executive. If you did not opt out
when you registered, and later decide that you are not interested in
receiving this information, you can opt out at any time by sending an
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Please note that if you opt out of receiving promotional material from
Getty Images, you still may receive such material from our worldwide
subsidiaries, third party content providers, affiliates and other parties
to whom we provide your information in the course of doing business, as
explained above."

See:

http://creative.gettyimages.com/source/home/privacy.aspx

Where was the guitar?

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Recently effexor has been one of several drugs cited with potential health
consequences, if you are taking, it would be good idea to look over it's
potential side effects and to talk to your doctor. As per valium for use
with getting away from alcohol, it is used for that sometime, particularly
if someone is getting the proverbial dts from alcohol withdrawl. But,
alcoholics can be predisposed to potential valium abuse and need to be
careful and monitored. A warning too, valium by itself proply never has
killed anyone, but mix it with alcohol and it can be a killer.
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Ummmmm........NO
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NOT a must see, a virus!!!
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the zip file contains backdoor.sdbot.ag worm.
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Bullshit?

SCG

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C'mon...once is enough..
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pick something with the term DESIGN in it... or how about joe3000.com ?

mark


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possibly a virus.
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Only a hugh telephone bill but free trial. Yeh after you give them cc
information.. Fuckers.

On 26 Oct 2004 16:55:36 GMT, " livesex" <[Email Removed]> wrote:

>Free trial +86

Crossposted off topic Spam.

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I've been doing, as a favor, cropping, color correction, adjustment, etc. of
photos in order to print a better image.

Started as an accommodation for friends and family and has now expanded to
where I'm receiving heavy request from the general public where I'm
unwilling to do the work without just compensation.

I have no idea what to charge for these 'jobs' as they are outside my normal
work.

BTW I have business locations in Dallas Texas and Charlotte NC if that has
any impact on the issue.

Any input would be appreciated.

Karen

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Here in Charlotte you should be getting anywhere between $50-$70 an hour
for "hand" work depending on your overhead.

Drew

WhyMe wrote:

"Phil Scott"

| > I've been doing, as a favor, cropping, color correction,
| adjustment, etc. of photos in order to print a better image.
| >
| > Started as an accommodation for friends and family and has
| now expanded to where I'm receiving heavy request from the general public
| where I'm unwilling to do the work without just compensation.
| >
| > I have no idea what to charge for these 'jobs' as they are
| outside my normal work.
| >
| > BTW I have business locations in Dallas Texas and Charlotte
| NC if that has any impact on the issue.
| >
| > Any input would be appreciated.
| >
| > Karen
|
|
| The quality of the work...and the quality of the person doing
| the work, their own personal characteristics, become key parts
| of the end product. Yours are apparently pretty good.
|
| On the other hand there is a small army of the grossly less
| endowed who none the less are able to manipulate photo's etc
| in photo shop who will be glad to 'do yer work for 10 bucks'.

| Quality clients know better than to try to compare what they
| get from you, to this kind of work and price structure, often
| from someone who just swam ashore.
|
| There is not exactly a surplus of quality clients...and of the
| quality clients much of the work they get is ordered by
| staff...and very often but not always of course staff does not
| have high end tastes...they actually prefer junk... they
| relate at that level.
|
| So you will hear... We get that done for 50 cents a page... no
| way are we going to pay you 5,000 dollars for an annual report.
| Sheer idiocy is beginning to prevail.
|
| then of course as the client goes broke on the strength of his
| third rate advertising and graphics, they blame the
| market...not themselves for engineering the disaster...issues
| that are in fact invisible to them. they will never
| understand why an ad with a guy with tattoo's and a nose ring
| didn't appeal to the luxury hotels rich clients... the cause
| of their demise will forever be a mystery to them.
|
| So you need to know which market you are in or wish to be in,
| and price to that market. If the quality of a clients ad
| piece or edited picture can influence the success of a 50
| million dollar cash flow line, then what goes into cropping
| that photo must be a bit higher quality than if you are make a
| ladies room sign for a gas station.
|
| You could easily charge 5,000 dollars to select and crop a
| photo for an ad campaign if you work is up to that
| standard...and the client will understand that totally as they
| will be having a dozen or so meetings to review and edit and
| reshape the work as it progresses though 45 different
| iterations.. they understand. they will gladly pay.
|
| those that don't understand will think 5 dollars is way too
| much, since they can go to Kinko's and crop their own photo in
| under 30 seconds.
|
| You get to pick which demographic to target for your own
| offerings. Then dress and present yourself to fit that
| demographic..
|
| ....on the bottom end its a nose ring and long fingernails..
| at the high end its a BMW, 80 dollar hair cut, 50 dollar
| shirts at a minimum... and new leather portfolio...and
| building on fortune 500 clients as you go.
|
| etc.
|
| Phil Scott

I appreciate your comments. I'm well aware of the ranges of folk with whom
I do business and the comparisons I might be subjected. (I've been doing GA
for almost 50 years and have been had by the best -- but never more than
once <g>) Clearly this is a niche market seeking a better quality of end
product than can be had from Wal-Mark/Kinko's. Apparently they are also
seeking a better end product than what they can get from the mass market
photography studios so I doubt I'll be shopped much and if I am ... the door
is that way ==>

The photos are set up in a professional photograph's studio and I'm to
coordinate with the photographer and then return the work product to the
photographer for final printing. (I have the equipment to do the finished
product but just don't need *that* much more work)

This would be only a very small part of what I'm doing. Regardless I need
to find out what is fair, reasonable and appropriate for this niche market.

Honestly I'm not trying to set the world on fire or even burn down the
forest I just want to keep my end of the woods warm without distorting, in
either direction, the market for myself or others. I know I can deliver a
quality product what I'm troubled about is how to determine what's a fair
price.

Regards

Karen

"Phil Scott"

| > I've been doing, as a favor, cropping, color correction,
| adjustment, etc. of photos in order to print a better image.
| >
| > Started as an accommodation for friends and family and has
| now expanded to where I'm receiving heavy request from the general public
| where I'm unwilling to do the work without just compensation.
| >
| > I have no idea what to charge for these 'jobs' as they are
| outside my normal work.
| >
| > BTW I have business locations in Dallas Texas and Charlotte
| NC if that has any impact on the issue.
| >
| > Any input would be appreciated.
| >
| > Karen
|
|
| The quality of the work...and the quality of the person doing
| the work, their own personal characteristics, become key parts
| of the end product. Yours are apparently pretty good.
|
| On the other hand there is a small army of the grossly less
| endowed who none the less are able to manipulate photo's etc
| in photo shop who will be glad to 'do yer work for 10 bucks'.

| Quality clients know better than to try to compare what they
| get from you, to this kind of work and price structure, often
| from someone who just swam ashore.
|
| There is not exactly a surplus of quality clients...and of the
| quality clients much of the work they get is ordered by
| staff...and very often but not always of course staff does not
| have high end tastes...they actually prefer junk... they
| relate at that level.
|
| So you will hear... We get that done for 50 cents a page... no
| way are we going to pay you 5,000 dollars for an annual report.
| Sheer idiocy is beginning to prevail.
|
| then of course as the client goes broke on the strength of his
| third rate advertising and graphics, they blame the
| market...not themselves for engineering the disaster...issues
| that are in fact invisible to them. they will never
| understand why an ad with a guy with tattoo's and a nose ring
| didn't appeal to the luxury hotels rich clients... the cause
| of their demise will forever be a mystery to them.
|
| So you need to know which market you are in or wish to be in,
| and price to that market. If the quality of a clients ad
| piece or edited picture can influence the success of a 50
| million dollar cash flow line, then what goes into cropping
| that photo must be a bit higher quality than if you are make a
| ladies room sign for a gas station.
|
| You could easily charge 5,000 dollars to select and crop a
| photo for an ad campaign if you work is up to that
| standard...and the client will understand that totally as they
| will be having a dozen or so meetings to review and edit and
| reshape the work as it progresses though 45 different
| iterations.. they understand. they will gladly pay.
|
| those that don't understand will think 5 dollars is way too
| much, since they can go to Kinko's and crop their own photo in
| under 30 seconds.
|
| You get to pick which demographic to target for your own
| offerings. Then dress and present yourself to fit that
| demographic..
|
| ....on the bottom end its a nose ring and long fingernails..
| at the high end its a BMW, 80 dollar hair cut, 50 dollar
| shirts at a minimum... and new leather portfolio...and
| building on fortune 500 clients as you go.
|
| etc.
|
| Phil Scott

I appreciate your comments. I'm well aware of the ranges of folk with whom
I do business and the comparisons I might be subjected. (I've been doing GA
for almost 50 years and have been had by the best -- but never more than
once <g>) Clearly this is a niche market seeking a better quality of end
product than can be had from Wal-Mark/Kinko's. Apparently they are also
seeking a better end product than what they can get from the mass market
photography studios so I doubt I'll be shopped much and if I am ... the door
is that way ==>

The photos are set up in a professional photograph's studio and I'm to
coordinate with the photographer and then return the work product to the
photographer for final printing. (I have the equipment to do the finished
product but just don't need *that* much more work)

This would be only a very small part of what I'm doing. Regardless I need
to find out what is fair, reasonable and appropriate for this niche market.

Honestly I'm not trying to set the world on fire or even burn down the
forest I just want to keep my end of the woods warm without distorting, in
either direction, the market for myself or others. I know I can deliver a
quality product what I'm troubled about is how to determine what's a fair
price.

Regards

Karen

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very true,

Rastin

Colin McKinnon wrote:

"WhoMe" <[Email Removed]> wrote in message
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Basically what he's describing. Also can include production work.

Drew

Hi Paolo

I am from India and am currently studying graphic design in the US. I
am really interested in checking out the work of great Indian
designers.

Seems like Tania Singh Khosla doesn't have a website, but some research
shows that she's married to a very famous fashion and interior designer
- Sandeep Khosla.

Any ideas on how I can access the work of contemporary Indian graphic
designers?

You probably know Typocity and Grandmotherindia.com - very interesting
sites!

Thanks.
-Ash
Paolo wrote:

Hi Rastin,

Did you try Mambo? How did it go? I've tried it very briefly but to be
honest grew tired of it quite quickly. It's reputed to very good
however, perhaps I should have spent a lot more time looking at the
documentation.

Matt :)

Rastin Mehr | rmd Studio wrote:

Paul Aspinall wrote:

Giuseppe Carmine De Blasio wrote: