in article [Email Removed], FakeRatzo at
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Possible they may be related (echhhh) . |
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On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 23:40:40 -0700, Aratzio <[Email Removed]> got double secret probation because: in article [Email Removed], Aratzio at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 11:37 PM: Hey try this, frog Jeremy or Andrew they love that kind of stuff. Your fantasies are not everyone's. Do your own work. So why not frog them, they are the ones you are after? ... |
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Still it is pretty damn weak. |
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On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 21:31:05 -0700, [Email Removed] got double secret probation because: On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 21:21:56 -0700, Aratzio <[Email Removed] wrote: BTW oh king of the spelling lame, what's a vender? Ouch Mikey That had to of hurt. Do you want some Bactine for that? It is so sad when they play the lame cards and then get fed the deck. And flaying himself in public. Not a pretty sight. I do like the "I will run my business into the ground on my terms and you cannot stop me" attitude. Unfortunately it happens every day. My brother-in-laws brother is a Federal Bankruptcy judge down in your end of the state. He was telling some stories last Christmas about some of the people who end up in front of him. It is truly sad that some of these people are allowed out of their homes, let alone run businesses. Well it is actually corporations that end up in front of him but the people who run the corporations. WorldCom, Tyco, Adelphia are big names you hear all about. The small players who do that kind of stuff are a dime a dozen. But lucky for Mike he does not have any stockholders to sue his ass into bankruptcy for malfeasance. You imagine if Mikey was public corporation and he pulled this stunt. Shareholders suits would just be the beginning of his woes. 'Ratz |
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I know that based on what I have read the last day or so I would never engage Mike for any artistic needs... |
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Glad to see that news providers are waking up to his anti-American activities. |
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I know that based on what I have read the last day or so I would never engage Mike for any artistic needs... Too true. And the word is getting around what a rip-off con-artist he is. He has been trolling and spamming and scamming for far too long. Glad to see that news providers are waking up to his anti-American activities. |
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Got any evidence to back up your assertions? |
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in article [email protected], John Henry at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 10:11 PM: I'm kinda hoping the dumb bastard forges me - then he can lose another account. How sweet of you to share you little hopes and desires. |
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Move on. |
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Er, they are the one that pays for the server. Of COURSE they are allowed. |
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in article [Email Removed], Aratzio at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 11:55 PM: On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 23:40:40 -0700, Aratzio <[Email Removed]> got double secret probation because: in article [Email Removed], Aratzio at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 11:37 PM: Hey try this, frog Jeremy or Andrew they love that kind of stuff. Your fantasies are not everyone's. Do your own work. So why not frog them, they are the ones you are after? ... Your desires are not mine. Time for you to go to bed and dream of frogs. ":^) Don't you wish you actually were a man, not some 10 year old having a |
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When one has users like "Omnima" who tell in their posts that they do fake headers and posts about many of the people he does not like (including you Mike), how can it be justified by supernews that they block people like you after not looking close at the headers at all. The quoted post was from a windows box, not a Mac for example. Way to do your jobs over there people. LP. |
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Oh so many victims of the supernews power trips. Well who can we get blocked today? Hum let me see how about I use your headers to do some spamming? Or being that they will not even look at the headers, I will just use your email address and nick or something stupid like that. LP. |
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Aratzio wrote: On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 21:31:05 -0700, [Email Removed] got double secret probation because: On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 21:21:56 -0700, Aratzio <[Email Removed] wrote: BTW oh king of the spelling lame, what's a vender? Ouch Mikey That had to of hurt. Do you want some Bactine for that? It is so sad when they play the lame cards and then get fed the deck. And flaying himself in public. Not a pretty sight. I do like the "I will run my business into the ground on my terms and you cannot stop me" attitude. Unfortunately it happens every day. My brother-in-laws brother is a Federal Bankruptcy judge down in your end of the state. He was telling some stories last Christmas about some of the people who end up in front of him. It is truly sad that some of these people are allowed out of their homes, let alone run businesses. Well it is actually corporations that end up in front of him but the people who run the corporations. WorldCom, Tyco, Adelphia are big names you hear all about. The small players who do that kind of stuff are a dime a dozen. But lucky for Mike he does not have any stockholders to sue his ass into bankruptcy for malfeasance. You imagine if Mikey was public corporation and he pulled this stunt. Shareholders suits would just be the beginning of his woes. 'Ratz Now, now ... one of the few remaining actual terrific things about this country is that anyone can start a business, anyone can blow it or make a success of it (depending on their talents, savvy, willingness to work hard, etc.) and anyone else can venture a totally meaningless opinion about what that person *ought* to be doing with their business. |
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This particular comment of yours .... well .... you wouldn't want to seriously think about how close it is to You-no-hooey's typical comments, would you? I mean, it's easy for some people to THINK they know how someone else should run their business, but doing it from the inside -- when it's your name & resources on the line -- is a whole different thing. Hmmm, DE since when does my writing lack the coherence of the 'Tard? |
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So, much as I think (*this*) Mike is a totally a** in many respects, he's perfectly within his rights to screw up his business any ol' way he wants to. |
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[... oh, and I hope you're not *really* playing "king of the spelling lame", 'ratz, cuz .... well .... you know ...... ] Having context issues now? I asked a question of someone who was |
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-- DE |
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I paid for the service, I intended to use the service. After the fact they make rules up as they go along, "Mike" posts too many messages. hahahahaha. They post just as many messages as I do in a day... and they have their link in each message. But it is not ok for me to do the same, because they don't like my "attitude" or they don't like the topics that I choose to post about, or they don't like getting crybabies writing to them about my "mean" messages. Tough. They are out of the loop now. |
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Uni <[Email Removed]> wrote news:[Email Removed] rfgdxm/Robert F. Golaszewski wrote: [alt.binaries.news-server-comparison added to NG line] Since the Supernews admins hang out in abn-s-c, I'll let them tell you michael if this is spam. Katra has in her .sig a link to http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?View...lude=0&userid=k atra. AFAIK none of her posts have been made specifically to sell her beads and such. She merely has a link to her commercial site in her .sig. Anyone from Supernews care to reply? Note that I assume I know what the answer will be, and this is for michael's benefit. I've seen many Supernews subscribers that post a URL to a product and/or service. Mike, has also done this. However, Mike does, in his own cute way, ruffle a few feathers in usenet. I assume, someone complained to Supernews about Mike, and Supernews took immediate steps to put a stop to Mike. And, how many real spammers (who never say a word) will argue with a NSP in this very group? Case closed. Many posters have much longer urls for their business or classes in their posts. Supernews staff does it too. Still Supernews is the first that says this is a reason to block their customers for it. And you know what, Supernews is used for leeching and uploading a lot over here. All the time you see urls in the binary floods, also in subject headers. Gigantic quantities of urls compared to a poster who just posts some text messages with his url to sign off. WJ -- http://www.demon.nl/eng/support/newsgroups/index.html http://tinyurl.com/yuxgq http://tinyurl.com/yvrmo |
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On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 21:07:22 -0700, [Email Removed] got double secret probation because: On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 20:38:06 -0700, "Mike..." <[Email Removed] wrote: in article [Email Removed], [Email Removed] at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 8:13 PM: Glad that you don't want me to put you on the approved vendor list. Trust me I won't. };- My opinions in newsgroups are not for sale. I don't care what you "had to offer" in the way of being on an approved "vender list". BTW oh king of the spelling lame, what's a vender? I have been willing to write as I wish in newsgroups for years, and am still willing to pay the price that silly people like you think I should pay. Sounds to me that is the reason why after all of these years you are still struggling. J.P. And flaying himself in public. Not a pretty sight. I do like the "I will run my business into the ground on my terms and you cannot stop me" attitude. |
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Lord Pander <[Email Removed]> wrote news:[Email Removed] When one has users like "Omnima" who tell in their posts that they do fake headers and posts about many of the people he does not like (including you Mike), how can it be justified by supernews that they block people like you after not looking close at the headers at all. The quoted post was from a windows box, not a Mac for example. Way to do your jobs over there people. LP. That happens a lot in Holland too, posters set someone up and post in his/her name. But I never heard of a Dutch provider banning someone for fake posts they didn't make, probably they have better logs to verify. Usually these flame wars are just ignored by them, they don't get personally involved like the Supernews people. But Demon outsources to Supernews, that is how we came to know about this case. You post from Supernews. Aren't you afraid they will find a reason to block you too when you write these words? WJ -- http://www.demon.nl/eng/support/newsgroups/index.html http://tinyurl.com/yuxgq http://tinyurl.com/yvrmo |
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I know I am. I have been "winning" these types of little games for years. |
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If you allow yourself to be disturbed by "Mike's" messages, then you are choosing to be a victim. Who's fault is that? |
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in article [email protected], John Henry at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 10:11 PM: I'm kinda hoping the dumb bastard forges me - then he can lose another account. How sweet of you to share you little hopes and desires. Move on. |
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in article [Email Removed], [Email Removed] at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 10:14 PM: On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 01:15:03 -0400, Uni <[Email Removed] wrote: I've seen many Supernews subscribers that post a URL to a product and/or service. Mike, has also done this. However, Mike does, in his own cute way, ruffle a few feathers in usenet. I assume, someone complained to Supernews about Mike, and Supernews took immediate steps to put a stop to Mike. And, how many real spammers (who never say a word) will argue with a NSP in this very group? Case closed. Uni A spammer is a spammer, get over it. J.P. A bigot and a wanna-be censor are a bigot and a wanna-be censor, get over it. |
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One little incestuous world. The more power that a few people have, the more it corrupts them. Supernews is infested with censors and power junkies. |
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Andrew - Supernews <[Email Removed]> wrote news:[Email Removed] On 2004-04-10, Willem <gaatjenietaan@notvalid> wrote: Andrew - Supernews <[Email Removed]> wrote news:[Email Removed] I admit that, not being the abuse person here, I have no idea why the user in question was blocked in the first place. But it wasn't anything to do with the above post, which is dated some months after the original block. How can you say that when Jeremy says it does: Because Jeremy didn't say that. Supernews still has not explained why Jeremy quoted the fake posts at all if they don't have anything to do with the block. Until they do, Jeremy said it loud and clear. Jeremy from Supernews says he has VERIFIED these posts are not forged and that they speak for themselves. So he means Supernews has proof they were posted by Mike. He means nothing of the sort (perhaps he should have made this point clearer). So what DOES Supernews mean when it says it verified that posts were not forged and speak for themselves. A customer says he is not the poster of the fake posts, as a reply Supernews presents more fakes posts and says they are genuine and speak for themselves. I say "I did not hide the apple". Then you show the public an apple and say "this speaks for itself". What will 99% of the public think? That you present proof the apple was hidden by me. That is what Supernews is doing to Mike. We _WILL NOT COMMENT_ on the issue of which of our users made any specific post, or whether two or more posts were made by the same user, because that would be a violation of privacy. Naturally, this means that public discussion of abuse issues is rarely productive (as this thread demonstrates). Again you are publicly suggesting the fake posts COULD have been made by Mike. It is wrong to bring up a privacy policy to imply things about a customer. Supernews should research and handle this matter in an honest way and stop implying things with showing fake posts made with the name of their customers. Therefore I think this thread is productive in bringing that out and asking you to review the matter fairly. He means they are related to the reason for blocking. No, that's simply your interpretation of what he meant. Supernews posted them in reply to their customer's denial he spammed, and said they spoke for themselves. There is no other interpretation. But you from Supernews say something different. What is going on at Supernews Abuse, Andrew?? What is going on is very simple: we won't violate our privacy policies simply to "win" a debate in public. If the "Artist Mike" poster wants his block on posting to be reviewed, then he can simply get his ISP to contact our abuse staff. Note: paying customers (that is: individual subscribers or corporate account holders themselves as opposed to their end-users) can contact abuse directly, but end-users of ISP outsource customers are expected to have their ISP contact us on their behalf. Your privacy policy is not the issue. Supernews blocked a customer based on fake posts. Supernews even posted some examples, adding they were NOT forgeries and spoke for themselves. The issue is that Supernews blocks innocent customers based on fake posts and maybe even personal reasons of their employees. I happen to believe Mike when he says he HAS written to his ISP and to Supernews. Who wouldn't contact their provider when they are wrongly blocked?? When I see the way Jeremy implies things with those fake posts, I can understand Mike was ON HIS OWN against you guys and you Supernews wasn't fair about it so he posted about the matter. I would too. Neither individual subscribers nor outsource end-users ever get their posting privileges revoked lightly. But it should be obvious that the vast majority of people who _do_ get blocked will claim that they were in fact blocked falsely: either because they were genuinely innocent, or because they are intentionally spamming and therefore lying about it, or they are guilty of some form of abuse other than simple spamming and believem for whatever reason, that their conduct was justified. There goes Supernews implying again. "It should be obvious". Supernews, I'm sorry but it is becoming more and more obvious that this matter of your logs leading to wrong blocks is not handled in an honest way. (As an example of such justification, see the assertion that's been made several times in this thread that simply being a paying customer confers some sort of right to use our service for promotional purposes - which is absolutely not the case.) That has nothing to do with the block for posts someone didn't make. Supernews keeps mixing it up, the customer is trapped: now he got blocked for spamming, now he got blocked for fake posts. WJ -- http://www.demon.nl/eng/support/newsgroups/index.html http://tinyurl.com/yuxgq http://tinyurl.com/yvrmo |
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I wish I was a man. |
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From the looks of his work, (ArtistMike.com) he really has a good business. |
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in article [Email Removed], Zimphire at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 8:09 PM: In article <BC9DC09E.F2D10%[Email Removed]>, Aratzio <[Email Removed]> wrote: in article [Email Removed], Aratzio at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 2:59 PM: He has to resort to nym shifts ... Poor baby. Cry some more... your pain is my joy. Sadist. If you allow yourself to be disturbed by "Mike's" messages, then you are choosing to be a victim. Who's fault is that? |
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Hey, it's not my fault I am a lifeless pile of dogshit. |
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Move on. Fuck me. |
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in article [Email Removed], FakeRatzo at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 11:46 PM: Possible they may be related (echhhh) . Not every family is as inbred as your family, FakeRatzo. |
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So how many accounts are you using mikee? |
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in article [Email Removed], reverend maxwell snort at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 8:45 PM: my own work; my own rules. you, are a fucking spammer, and a troll. you will burn in the hell I will make for you, or you will run out screaming. shall we play, you arrogant unwit? Your silly threats are irrelevant. |
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in article [Email Removed], [Email Removed] at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 10:06 PM: On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 21:32:39 -0700, AlwaysCorrect <[Email Removed]> wrote: in article [Email Removed], [Email Removed] at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 8:25 PM: The way you are going, you will soon be out of the loop yourself. Is that a problem for you? Nopers. Then you have nothing to whine and cry about. Move on. Supernews is infested with censors that censor customers based upon whim and lies. |
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In article <BC9E113A.F2E23%[Email Removed]>, [Email Removed] says... in article [Email Removed], Zimphire at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 8:09 PM: In article <BC9DC09E.F2D10%[Email Removed]>, Aratzio <[Email Removed]> wrote: in article [Email Removed], Aratzio at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 2:59 PM: He has to resort to nym shifts ... Poor baby. Cry some more... your pain is my joy. Sadist. If you allow yourself to be disturbed by "Mike's" messages, then you are choosing to be a victim. Who's fault is that? yours. |
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in article [Email Removed], reverend maxwell snort at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 8:09 PM: so why don't you shut up and move on you egocentric nutcase. Because it is fun to bring bigots and wanna-be censors like you out from under the rocks. |
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I hereby declare Sunday to be your fault. |
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in article [Email Removed], Andrew - Supernews at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 6:49 PM: Tough... what you think is bestowed upon a paying customer is irrelevant ... you are out of the loop now. |
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Your opinions are irrelevant. |
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IF there really is nothing wrong with the block Supernews put on Mike, why are there SO many folks hanging out here taking stabs at him because he posted about it? Why all the attention for something that everyone says went by the book? |
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in article [Email Removed], [Email Removed] at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 10:14 PM: On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 01:15:03 -0400, Uni <[Email Removed] wrote: I've seen many Supernews subscribers that post a URL to a product and/or service. Mike, has also done this. However, Mike does, in his own cute way, ruffle a few feathers in usenet. I assume, someone complained to Supernews about Mike, and Supernews took immediate steps to put a stop to Mike. And, how many real spammers (who never say a word) will argue with a NSP in this very group? Case closed. Uni A spammer is a spammer, get over it. A bigot and a wanna-be censor are a bigot and a wanna-be censor, get over it. |
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threats? no. I don't make idle threats. I'm just relating history. if you wish to learn, then let us play. if ignorance is bliss, then go away. |
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threats? no. I don't make idle threats. I'm just relating history. if you wish to learn, then let us play. if ignorance is bliss, then go away. |
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PKB Actually projection of self doubt and fears. But PKB works. |
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In article <BC9DF748.F2DC0%[Email Removed]>, [Email Removed] says... in article [Email Removed], Andrew - Supernews at [Email Removed] wrote on 04/10/2004 6:49 PM: Tough... what you think is bestowed upon a paying customer is irrelevant ... you are out of the loop now. that's right; tighten the circle Your opinions are irrelevant. all opinons but yours are irrelevent. |
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One little incestuous world. |
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The more power that a few people have, the more it corrupts them. Supernews is infested with censors and power junkies. |
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Oh, by the way... I like all this discussion in public, and I like how it is being archived in google. Keep it up, Supernews. |
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your mind is infected with green bile eating away at the neurons. soon there will be a big worm laying eggs in all the cracks and crevices. It will tunnel to the middle and die. soon after that there will be many little worms trying to get out. they will be hungry. |
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On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:56:29 -0700, [Email Removed] got double secret probation because: On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 01:48:41 -0400, Uni <[Email Removed] wrote: Let's see. JP is friends with Mike @ Octanews. Mike @ Octanews is friends with Supernews..... yada, yada, yada. One little world, here. :-D Uni Yepers We are all out to get you. A conspiracy per say. Just for you and your sock puppets. Right Mike? };- J.P. IT IS THE CABAL (tinc) and they are out to get Mikey & the 'Tard Cue Twilight Zone Theme |
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 03:37:36 GMT, reverend maxwell snort <[Email Removed]> got double secret probation because: In article <[Email Removed]>, [Email Removed] says... On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 23:04:57 -0400, Zimphire <[Email Removed]> got double secret probation because: In article <[Email Removed]>, reverend maxwell snort <[Email Removed]> wrote: In article <BC9D913F.F2953%[Email Removed]>, [Email Removed] says... darn. you guys mean your troll has been filtered by his NSP? UDP'd? that's a shame. I had so looked forward to meeting him. I am here, just watching. cool; so you are the resident troll? Yes, yes he is. Damn, you guys need a MUCH better quality troll. This one is DULL!!! Please tell me you have something anything more entertaining than ArtistMike and his sidekick the Unitard? it's almost like he's not a troll, but just an asshole spammer. have you tried to work him into a frenzy? He has a wand of dullness and uses it on himself. That or thorazine. |
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Move on. |
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Supernews posted messages that were FAKED AFTER HE WAS BLOCKED. They attempt to use messages that Mike could NOT have written as evidence of his "crime". |
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Mike... <[Email Removed]> wrote: Oh, by the way... I like all this discussion in public, and I like how it is being archived in google. Keep it up, Supernews. Yeah, on this I think we can agree. Having someone like you throw a tantrum in public only makes us look better. Thanks. |