What would be nice is if Mikey's delusions were interesting rather
than just dull?

'Ratz


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I dew find it so gratifying to see I am such a threat. This makes 2
frogs of me now. *sniff* I am soooo happy. Gonna has two makes a lits
of socks and frogs for this little lawn gnome. I do tink he doth give
knew meening two MPD.

'Ratz


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I have no sympathy for this idiot, Mike - or the fuckheads attacking
him, who almost make UFF look interesting - he's a constantaly whining
nonentity, like akula, unhappy that he was caught spamming. But from
what little I have bothered to read about this, this is about him
putting his URL in a post. What's your policy, or personal opinion, on
posts which come from Newsfeeds and their resellers, or certain
Newshosting resellers, which insert advertising (spam?) into every
post they send out, regardless of the other content of the posts?

While I'm at it, I'd also like to know what Newshosting's policy on
spamming is, is WRT their resellers. I would have thought Titannews
was violating a Newshosting TOS somewhere, unless Newshosting are
quite happy to tolerate this of - universally despised - practice by
their customers.

Not by me.


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Plus how can you use these forged messages as reason for the blocking if
they came AFTER I was blocked?

You really are messed up.


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So keep your nose out of this.

Supernews has a policy to censor people that they do not like, and they will
use anything as reason enough to accomplish that censoring.

Supernews has a policy to not publish their "evidence" even when the injured
party requests that such "evidence" be published.



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Now Supernews calls people liars when their own (Supernews) actions and
words come back to bite them.

How amusing.

Time for you to hide behind your "policy", Jeremy.

hahahaha.

Its a bit more than that. He put his URL into a sig, and then posted as
often as he could just to get his url onto Usenet. Combine that with the
fact that he's a trolling nymshifting twat, and some people are going to
want to net cop him.

I think it sucks, and I have chosen not to pay money to companies that do
it. As soon as it hits BI>20 it becomes cancellable by third parties
anyway.

I'm confidant that SN made the right decision. I don't care how they came
to that decision, if it was an auto filter or if it was put after receiving
complaints.

--
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My screen name changes,
My email address doesn't.

Supernews is not the first NSP to block people who have spammed a website
in a sig.

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My screen name changes,
My email address doesn't.

I never did any such thing, as I have said repeatedly.

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Jeremy | [Email Removed]

I think it's stupid and annoying.

We have no policy against putting URLs in posts. This is just something
Mike invented so he'd have something to rant about.

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Jeremy | [Email Removed]

No. See, I don't care any more. Your actions in this group make it
perfectly clear that the block is justified, and that there is no point
in discussing it (or anything else) with you.

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Jeremy | [Email Removed]

Yes, that is how he treats his customers.

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Rebecca Ore
http://mysite.verizon.net/rebecca.ore

What does that have to do with Mike or the block you put on
him?

Do you or do you not have proof that these fake posts were
by Mike?

You keep denying you actually said they are by him but also
you keep suggesting it. If you don't have proof or don't
want to present proof, you have no reason to keep bringing
them up in relation to Mike and the reason you blocked him.

WJ
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Wow and your a liar too.

Unfortunately, however correct you may be about NewsFeets and that
ilk, they do not meet the "accepted" definition of spam. What mike is
filtered for (he never had a Supernews account, just an ISP) is he
drops into threads posts a "here hope this helps" link to his
commercial website with his commercial sig attached. This does meet
the "substansively the same" definition of Usenet Spam. His whole
reason for posting those messages is commercial. The posting sig that
Newsfeets and all are attached to every message. Now I agree it is
spam but since the messages are all different the posting sig is
allowed. Tortured logic at best but I did not make up the rules.

That is WRONG Jeremy, saying his actions in this group
justify your block. There are newsgroups discussing servers,
providers, hosts, what if all providers thought like you and
started blocking customers for saying things about them they
don't like to hear? Also there are many many trolls, even in
this very group. They don't get blocked, most providers say
sort it out yourselves.

WJ
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http://tinyurl.com/yuxgq
http://tinyurl.com/yvrmo

And what's best about that is he leaves a record for his customers to
find. Really bright, but not to many bright spammers out there or they
would not need spam to promote themselves.

'Ratz

So you are just going to buy Mikes story at face value and do no
research of your own? Seems like you have an axe to grind of your own.
Why not do some research, take a look at Mikes posting history, see
how many links you can find in google to ArtistMike and Spam. You need
to make sure you really know both sides of a story.

You also have ignored the fact Jeremy did state he googled those and
posted them and then discovered they were made AFTER mike was
filtered. So you can have it one of two ways here. Mike was filtered
BEFORE those posts were made and those posts therefore have NO bearing
upon the issue or you can believe those posts made AFTER Mike was
filtered are the reason he was filtered.

Now get out you Occam's Razor and see which of those scenerios you
want to buy into.

By the way, nymshifting and frogging to avoid kill filters is a TOS
offense with any reputable NSP. They call it abuse. So Jeremy is
correct, but since Mike was NEVER a supernews customer and is only
filtered by supernews that can never be tested.

'Ratz

Geez, and you wonder why I would call you a liar, when you are perfectly
willing to twist my words to construct straw men.

His behavior in this newsgroup would be considered a TOS violation at
Supernews for two reasons: morphing to avoid killfiles, and newsgroup
disruption. Your characterization of what I said as "saying things
about them they don't like to hear" and "trolling" are inventions in
your own mind.

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Jeremy | [Email Removed]

SpammerMike didn't just post the url in his sig. He or one of the
socks has posted it in message bodies, as a one line reply to a question.

I posted a couple of those a week or so ago. He didn't deny posting
those.

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Rebecca Ore
http://mysite.verizon.net/rebecca.ore

nl.hierarchy the way he posts (strange thing + sig) he would have been
abused and cancelled much sooner.
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christinA

Too bad for Supernews that they don't have the "policy" to disregard such
silly "net copping". Instead they censor people based upon forged messages,
and then attempt to hide that fact when confronted.

Is your opinion relevant to anyone but YOU?

yes, but you have to start somewhere. if *just supernews was
persecuting him, that's maybe happening. if a whole newsgroup is, he's
a kook. if we can get the whole world after him, then we've done a good
thing.

Lack of denial is not agreement.

You are very silly.

By the way, got any evidence to support your claim that he is a spammer?

Is there any reason to take your opinion as anything more than your opinion.

They did not want to put up with the net-copping that many little children
engage in. They did not want to go through the hassle of trying to figure
out who was really forging the messages.

So they took the easy way out and just filtered ArtistMike from posting.

The fact that he did not spam?

Way past that time now. According to "Mike" it has already been attempted.

If you don't like it, too bad.

My clients by my time and my talent, I am not selling my opinions about News
Providers to clients.

My opinions about news providers are not for sale. I will not limit my
writing in newsgroups so that some fantasy client will "like me". I am
willing to pay the price of lost business to clients that have thin skin and
can't take an opinion that might offended them.

I don't need or want such clients.

Clear enough for you?

":^)

So Supernews' policy is based upon what YOU care about.

Nice to know.

Nice that you announce that to the public. Nice to have your personal
"policy" exposed for what it is.

I don't care what you think is "justified"... obviously your company's
"policy" is based upon what YOU think is justified and nothing more. Bigots
and Censors like you are infesting that company or your personal opinions
would not be so proudly exposed. But you are proud of what you do, and what
you think justifies your actions.

I did not spam. I posted many messages in newsgroups and some people cried
and whined to you about it and you did not want to actually find out what
was going on, you took the easy way out and filtered my posting ability.

Now your personal "policy" is being made public and it is being discussed...
if you like that, then you have nothing to be worried about. I suggest you
keep your nose out of the discussion, as each time you open your yap your
opinions become more and more clear.

It is way past discussing the issue with just me. That was tried. You blew
me off...

Go back to the bottom side of the rock you were under.

This is the issue at hand... they have chosen to NOT keep their activities
private. They have chosen to take little ArtistMike on in a newsgroup and
now their "policies" are up for public debate. They have chosen to write
and actually show those policies in action, in a public forum.

Now the door is open ... they can't unring the bell.

":^)

Supernews has written that they make policy upon personal opinions about
clients. Supernews "does not care" about "ArtistMike" at this point because
he dares to take his issue to the public in a public forum.

How dare he do that!

If only he would have kissed their ass and behaved like a good little user.

But no... he has to go and have an opinion that does not match up with their
opinions about spam, about the amount of messages that one person can post,
his opinions don't match theirs and he has the balls to post his opinions in
newsgroups ... PUBLIC NEWSGROUPS! How dare he do that?

They can't do that. They can't. They have to "save face"... they can't be
seen as backing down to a nobody like "ArtistMike".

They are stuck. They have no place to go. They can either battle it out in
the newsgroups and attempt to "win"... or they can keep their "policy" to
themselves and slink back under the rock they were under.

":^)

Wow, you are a crybaby too.

":^)

More evidence that the "policy" of Supernews is really based upon personal
opinions and whims. More evidence that Supernews "policy" will change and
has changed based upon whim.

More evidence of a company with censorship at it's very core.

If you have some evidence ... messages that I posted to a public newsgroup,
that was "available to the general public" then post it to support your
claim that I spammed. Otherwise you have blocked me based upon your own
personal whim with nothing to back up your decision.

I doubt that you will post anything because you have nothing to support your
claim. You only have your personal dislike for my attitude and that is the
only reason you blocked me.

Once again, your own actions support the claim that you have no evidence.


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Mike

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Site at: http://www.artistmike.com

Many people cry to me about my messages... some even call them spam, but
that does not make my messages spam.

No matter how much you cry and moan, I do not and I did not post spam.




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Mike

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Site at: http://www.artistmike.com

I have never understood why other NSPs didn't try and take a "harder
line" against it when it started, especially since it's an
advertisement for a service in the same line of business. And I am
also not aware of any posts from Newsfeeds that have contributed
anything of worth to Usenet. IOW, I doubt they'd be missed, even now.

What's strange about this is what Mike hopes to achieve. Aside from
the futility of complaining in newsgroups about being blocked/TOS'd
from an NSP, apparently he has a commercial company.

So, leaving aside any issues about spamming, I am wondering just why
he thinks anybody would use the services of someone who has behaved in
such an extreme, irrational and unprofessional manner as he has done
here.

I've never used SN, but from the outside it's always seemed to me to
be a professional company with people who work for it - and post here
- who are generally knowledgable, professional, ok people, even in the
face of extreme stupidity.

What I know of Mike - and it's more than I want to - is that he's an
irrational, immature fuckhead who prefers having tantrums to having
perspective, regardless of whether he's a spammer on top of it.

So why he thinks this is good for the image of his business and bad
for the image of Supernews, is beyond me.

Blocking Mike's lunacy in this group would be doing him a favor (and
everybody else, admittedly), because his own actions certainly aren't
doing him any.

AFAIK private companies are free to choose whatever policies they
like, and you're free to chose one that has policies closer to what
you agree with. Most people are rational enough to do this without
having a public tantrum in a newsgroup.

And some don't. And some say it depends how they behave - evading
filters is probably frowned upon by most NSPs, for one thing.

But he is not doing it from Supernews.. if it is him. So it
is irrelevant. Unless you mean he did the same thing from
Supernews and that is why he got blocked.

Jeremy, if you don't want people to draw conclusions from
your words, you should be careful with them. You suggest and
imply too much. This time you point Mike out as a newsgroup
disrupter, but isn't this group full of them? Zimphire posts
from Supernews too, who draws the line and where I wonder.

WJ
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http://tinyurl.com/yuxgq
http://tinyurl.com/yvrmo

You can express any opinion you like. It's your decision to act like
an irrational, unprofessional, immature fuckhead while doing so that
would bother anyone considering being a customer of yours.

Supernews isn't telling the other side.

It was Andrew who spoke for Jeremy saying the fakes are from
after the block. I don't see Jeremy write he discovered that
later. Still leaves open the question why Jeremy brought
them up at all in relation to Mike.

So are you saying Mike was blocked by Supernews for
impostering and faking. Or is it still for spamming.
Everyone has an opinion, Supernews won't tell. Not many
options aside from those two, are there.

WJ
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http://tinyurl.com/yvrmo

Seth asked, I replied, learn to read you spazzy fucking mong.

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My screen name changes,
My email address doesn't.

I agree with this post.

It's not like he got TOSsed or anything.


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My screen name changes,
My email address doesn't.

Minor loon maybe, full blown k00k doubtful. He has potential but his
inherent dullness and lack of imagination pretty much preclude
k00kery. Unlikely many will get interested in a man who wields the
mighty wand of dullness as his staff and sword.

'Ratz


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